From majy_the_dragon at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  4 12:56:06 2012
From: majy_the_dragon at hotmail.com (Super Warden)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:56:06 -0600
Subject: FL: FrankMDamico
Message-ID: <COL109-W57C3C2B9319536930DED72B8970@phx.gbl>

Put your affairs in order!
http://su-lugar.com.ar/anythings.php?cimpagenumber=66


            Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:56:05
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From icepool101 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 23:34:41 2012
From: icepool101 at gmail.com (Rylee Logan)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:34:41 -0700
Subject: FL: FrankMDamico
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What the heck?

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Super Warden
<majy_the_dragon at hotmail.com>wrote:

> Put your affairs in order!
> http://su-lugar.com.ar/anythings.php?cimpagenumber=66
>
>
>             Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:56:05
> __________________
> "And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his
> eyes to heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a
> sinner." (c) Rayann woulaaa
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From aidenislove at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  5 08:40:25 2012
From: aidenislove at yahoo.com (Aiden Raccoon)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 05:40:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FL: FrankMDamico
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 From: Rylee Logan <icepool101 at gmail.com>
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What the heck?
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From smrgol at optonline.net  Thu Jan  5 08:56:24 2012
From: smrgol at optonline.net (Smrgol)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:56:24 -0500
Subject: FL: FrankMDamico
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Probably just a hijacked mailing program.
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From tycho at ws6transam.org  Mon Jan  9 11:34:21 2012
From: tycho at ws6transam.org (Tycho Brahe)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:34:21 -0500
Subject: FL: FrankMDamico
In-Reply-To: <3F422548C68D47F6AFD0B7A083884D06@Eeyore>
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Sure did get the conversation restarted though.
The list is quiet enough that I check this email account only once per week.


On Thu, January 5, 2012 8:56 am, Smrgol wrote:
> Probably just a hijacked mailing program.
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From marcwolf at marcwolf.org  Tue Jan 10 05:37:57 2012
From: marcwolf at marcwolf.org (marcwolf.org)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:37:57 +1000
Subject: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts
Message-ID: <OMEIJPJAFKIANLCOEJOIIENFLJAA.marcwolf@marcwolf.org>

Hi all

I need to talk to somebody who has brought a pair of these. In essence I
need the measurement of the foot length from the heel to the footplate.

Many thanks
Marcwolf



From thekayakingfox at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 10 09:34:48 2012
From: thekayakingfox at hotmail.com (Andrew Morton)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 06:34:48 -0800
Subject: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts
In-Reply-To: <OMEIJPJAFKIANLCOEJOIIENFLJAA.marcwolf@marcwolf.org>
References: <OMEIJPJAFKIANLCOEJOIIENFLJAA.marcwolf@marcwolf.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1294DD8E86AFDD03095ABD2DE990@phx.gbl>

I'm fairly confident the Weta Legs were never released to the public.  
Something about not having enough interest to make it worth their while.

On 1/10/2012 2:37 AM, marcwolf.org wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I need to talk to somebody who has brought a pair of these. In essence I
> need the measurement of the foot length from the heel to the footplate.
>
> Many thanks
> Marcwolf
>
>
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From ysengrin at runningwolfpack.com  Tue Jan 10 10:56:15 2012
From: ysengrin at runningwolfpack.com (Ysengrin Blackpaw)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 07:56:15 -0800
Subject: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP1294DD8E86AFDD03095ABD2DE990@phx.gbl>
References: <OMEIJPJAFKIANLCOEJOIIENFLJAA.marcwolf@marcwolf.org>
	<BLU0-SMTP1294DD8E86AFDD03095ABD2DE990@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F0C5F9F.6060000@runningwolfpack.com>

http://area51.co/Digilegs/Welcome-to-Digilegs-the-Original-Reverse-Leg-Stilts.html

They weren't released through WETA, but Kim Graham did find (or was
approached) by another manufacturer.

There's a lot of info on the stilts here:
http://coilhouse.net/2010/04/inventorsculptor-kim-grahams-weta-legs/

On 1/10/2012 6:34 AM, Andrew Morton wrote:
> I'm fairly confident the Weta Legs were never released to the public. 
> Something about not having enough interest to make it worth their while.
> 
> On 1/10/2012 2:37 AM, marcwolf.org wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> I need to talk to somebody who has brought a pair of these. In essence I
>> need the measurement of the foot length from the heel to the footplate.
>>
>> Many thanks
>> Marcwolf

-- 
Ysengrin Blackpaw
www.runningwolfpack.com

From marcwolf at marcwolf.org  Tue Jan 10 17:04:19 2012
From: marcwolf at marcwolf.org (marcwolf.org)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:04:19 +1000
Subject: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts
In-Reply-To: <4F0C5F9F.6060000@runningwolfpack.com>
Message-ID: <OMEIJPJAFKIANLCOEJOICENLLJAA.marcwolf@marcwolf.org>

Hi Folks
Yes Yesengrin - I know about the Digilegs from Area51.

I've chatted with Kim several times on the difficult journey she has had to
get the stilts marketed from Weta's original enthusiasm and then their
decision not to market.

My own suspisions are that Weta wanted the stilts to use in the Narnia
movies and needed Kim's designs.

I could ask Kim however from previous conversations with her she has
indicated NDA's with Area51 so I will not press her

Many thanks
Marc

> -----Original Message-----
> From: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org
> [mailto:fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org]On Behalf Of Ysengrin
> Blackpaw
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2012 01:56
> To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org
> Subject: Re: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts
>
>
> http://area51.co/Digilegs/Welcome-to-Digilegs-the-Original-Reverse
> -Leg-Stilts.html
>
> They weren't released through WETA, but Kim Graham did find (or was
> approached) by another manufacturer.
>
> There's a lot of info on the stilts here:
> http://coilhouse.net/2010/04/inventorsculptor-kim-grahams-weta-legs/
>
> On 1/10/2012 6:34 AM, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > I'm fairly confident the Weta Legs were never released to the public.
> > Something about not having enough interest to make it worth their while.
> >
> > On 1/10/2012 2:37 AM, marcwolf.org wrote:
> >> Hi all
> >>
> >> I need to talk to somebody who has brought a pair of these. In
> essence I
> >> need the measurement of the foot length from the heel to the footplate.
> >>
> >> Many thanks
> >> Marcwolf
>
> --
> Ysengrin Blackpaw
> www.runningwolfpack.com
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From jeffj at panix.com  Tue Jan 10 20:38:21 2012
From: jeffj at panix.com (Jeff Jonas)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:38:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: FL: Fursuit-list Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1326214802.8667.fursuit-list@lists.fursuit.org>
References: <mailman.1.1326214802.8667.fursuit-list@lists.fursuit.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1201102029060.18151@panix5.panix.com>

Re: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts

Marcwolf:
> I need to talk to somebody who has brought a pair of these. In essence
> I need the measurement of the foot length from the heel to the footplate.

Ysengrin Blackpaw:
> http://area51.co/Digilegs/Welcome-to-Digilegs-the-Original-Reverse-Leg-Stilts.html
> They weren't released through WETA, but Kim Graham did find
> (or was approached) by another manufacturer.
> There's a lot of info on the stilts here:
> http://coilhouse.net/2010/04/inventorsculptor-kim-grahams-weta-legs/


Let's see: my own web page of such stuff
     http://meep.us/kangoo/

links to Kim Graham
     http://area51.co/Custom-Digilegs/Digilegs.html
as discussed here
     http://fursuit.livejournal.com/4823586.html

and following other links:
     http://kimgrahamstudios.com/gal-legs.html
links to
     http://kimgrahamstudios.com/gal-legs-recent-news.html

-- meJeep deMeep ferret!   ~~)=====(:">


From marcwolf at marcwolf.org  Tue Jan 10 21:36:35 2012
From: marcwolf at marcwolf.org (David Boccabella)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:36:35 +1000
Subject: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts
Message-ID: <001201ccd009$d7212b20$85638160$@marcwolf.org>

Just for people's interest - here are my stilts in progress.
http://www.marcwolf.org/gallery/default.aspx?aid=5

I have completed them (still need to put up the rest of the pictures)

I took them down to MidFur 13 last week and wore them around, plus a lot of
other folks wanted to try them on.
When watching people run around in them it seemed that the angle between the
foot-length and the ground was more akin to 30 degrees' rather than the 45
degree's that I have seen in some others.

A 60 degree stance seems more appropriate to me..    At the moment the
length of my foot section is not adjustable but it will be in a few days,
also the actual footplate will be able to have several preset angles (45,
52.5, 60) degrees for adjustments.

When I get the right one I will be putting on a larger paw type section with
toes that can drop and raise to give a better look when walking.

Marc 



From tycho at ws6transam.org  Wed Jan 11 11:10:44 2012
From: tycho at ws6transam.org (Tycho Brahe)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:10:44 -0500
Subject: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts
In-Reply-To: <001201ccd009$d7212b20$85638160$@marcwolf.org>
References: <001201ccd009$d7212b20$85638160$@marcwolf.org>
Message-ID: <69236a410036eb53d2c5868f1fb5ceb4.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com>

I applaud your metal working skills Dave. One thing I was wondering
though, is how much to these things weigh? It seems both your set and
Area51's are made from mild steel. I'm going to make a wild guess at 11
pounds apiece. Has there been any thought about moving to TIG and doing
them in 6061 aluminum? It's machinable , weldable, and quite strong. It'll
also cut the weight by about 40%.

-Dan


From marcwolf at marcwolf.org  Thu Jan 12 04:43:45 2012
From: marcwolf at marcwolf.org (marcwolf.org)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:43:45 +1000
Subject: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts
In-Reply-To: <69236a410036eb53d2c5868f1fb5ceb4.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com>
Message-ID: <OMEIJPJAFKIANLCOEJOIMEOHLJAA.marcwolf@marcwolf.org>

Thanks for you kind comments Dan
I had a lot of fun making them - my first experiment in using a MIG welder.

I believe it is possible to convert my MIG to a TIG by changing the output
polarity but that is something I will have to experiment with.

I'll have to get back to you re the weight as I am working on them at the
moment

>From what I have calculated from various articles

1. The stilts raise the wearer up 12 to 14"
2. The angle of the footplate to the footlength is 45 degrees
3. The knee needs to be placed approx over the footplate for balace

In these I found that my footlength is currently 15" and needs to be about
19", so I am adding a slidable extension to them.

Anyway - I'll keep the maillist posted on the outcome

Marc

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org]On Behalf Of Tycho Brahe
> Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012 02:11
> To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org
> Subject: Re: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts
>
>
> I applaud your metal working skills Dave. One thing I was wondering
> though, is how much to these things weigh? It seems both your set and
> Area51's are made from mild steel. I'm going to make a wild guess at 11
> pounds apiece. Has there been any thought about moving to TIG and doing
> them in 6061 aluminum? It's machinable , weldable, and quite strong. It'll
> also cut the weight by about 40%.
>
> -Dan
>
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From brandonjheaton at aol.com  Sun Jan 15 23:54:41 2012
From: brandonjheaton at aol.com (XxXshrkmanXxX)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 23:54:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: FL: FrankMDamico
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what the heck what?








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From: Aiden Raccoon <aidenislove at yahoo.com>
To: fursuit-list <fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org>
Sent: Thu, Jan 5, 2012 8:41 am
Subject: Re: FL: FrankMDamico



Do not repost a spam link if you reply.  You must delete the spam link first.




From: Rylee Logan <icepool101 at gmail.com>
To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: FL: FrankMDamico


What the heck?





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From donkeyears at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 10:09:48 2012
From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:09:48 -0600
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
Message-ID: <CAAqaxXi_UXo4EEsVjY+aWgXhmXEhg=arcngf5vYcq+3N=7p=tw@mail.gmail.com>

I am wondering how far this is going. Will we be seeing in a couple of
years commonly fursuits that look as if they are truly humanoid
animals and quad suits that are almost unidentifiable as fursuit but
are mistaken for real animals? Even the toonish suits are sliding
towards being more realistic than really truly tooish.

Back when I went to my first furcons Rotty my rottweiler fursuit was
praised for being such a realistic fursuit and by today's standards it
would be called a toonish suit.

His Most Royal Highass, Donkey

From zennoa at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 10:55:10 2012
From: zennoa at gmail.com (Zennoa Seifert)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:55:10 -0600
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
In-Reply-To: <CAAqaxXi_UXo4EEsVjY+aWgXhmXEhg=arcngf5vYcq+3N=7p=tw@mail.gmail.com>
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http://www.lionofthesun.com Not as far off as you'd think.
On Feb 26, 2012 9:09 AM, "Donkey" <donkeyears at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am wondering how far this is going. Will we be seeing in a couple of
> years commonly fursuits that look as if they are truly humanoid
> animals and quad suits that are almost unidentifiable as fursuit but
> are mistaken for real animals? Even the toonish suits are sliding
> towards being more realistic than really truly tooish.
>
> Back when I went to my first furcons Rotty my rottweiler fursuit was
> praised for being such a realistic fursuit and by today's standards it
> would be called a toonish suit.
>
> His Most Royal Highass, Donkey
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From r.higgins93 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 26 11:11:51 2012
From: r.higgins93 at yahoo.com (ryan higgins)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:11:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
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i completely agree, in one way, its pretty cool, but in another way, its making it easier for stereotypers to say that were all just into beastuality


________________________________
 From: Donkey <donkeyears at gmail.com>
To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 10:09 AM
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
 
I am wondering how far this is going. Will we be seeing in a couple of
years commonly fursuits that look as if they are truly humanoid
animals and quad suits that are almost unidentifiable as fursuit but
are mistaken for real animals? Even the toonish suits are sliding
towards being more realistic than really truly tooish.

Back when I went to my first furcons Rotty my rottweiler fursuit was
praised for being such a realistic fursuit and by today's standards it
would be called a toonish suit.

His Most Royal Highass, Donkey
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From kattywampus at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 12:25:43 2012
From: kattywampus at gmail.com (Kattywampus)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 10:25:43 -0700
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
In-Reply-To: <CAAqaxXi_UXo4EEsVjY+aWgXhmXEhg=arcngf5vYcq+3N=7p=tw@mail.gmail.com>
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I agree with both of you guys.
Today's fandom has forgotten its roots for the most part... as far as
art and fursuiting is concerned.
Fursuits have become the latest fashions, not a character you bring to
life.  The mention of "mascots",  "performance", and "getting into
character" causes snickering and comments like "You're way to into
this" .

Times have changed, and sometimes I wonder what fandom I'm actually
in.  I'm gonna remain oldschool, though.  B3

--CBK

From sissyg.evans3 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 13:14:06 2012
From: sissyg.evans3 at gmail.com (L4dhunter666)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:14:06 -0700
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
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Message-ID: <9084fc02-19c4-4956-83d4-b24697b02f18@email.android.com>

Ok you have a point.

-- 
Sent from my kindle fire with K-9 Mail.

From tycho at ws6transam.org  Sun Feb 26 12:51:22 2012
From: tycho at ws6transam.org (Tycho Brahe)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:51:22 -0500
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
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I don't even have a costume yet, but if I do, one thing I'll personally
try to do is draw a clear distinction between the art of fursuiting and
what are now stereotypical furry activities. I'm in agreement about trying
to use the costume as a way of creating a character; essentially becoming
an actor within the fursuit.

In terms of realism versus toony, I don't see it as a bad thing: More like
a broadening of the spectrum of the art. My costume (which has not been
delivered yet) is more realistic in nature but has slightly larger eyes
than real life in order to enhance the illusion.

My goals are not to necessarily attend furmeets or cons, but to use it in
the local public arena, At fairs, parades, special events, etc. Since I've
never done anything like this, never met anyone who does this, and never
even seen anyone do this before in my community, it's really an
undiscovered country with huge, unknown challenges, pitfalls, and rewards.
 However I will make sure that anyone I meet or interact with knows that a
fursuit (which I intentionally call 'costume') does not necessarily mean
CSI furry.  Sort of like the difference between a gun owner versus an
armed bank robber. It's not the tool that makes the person, but how you
use it.

In terms of direction - Do you really see the realism of the fursuit as a
strong trend? ...and which of the commercial costume creators do you see
as the principal drivers of this trend?


From ricdog at apk.net  Sun Feb 26 14:06:41 2012
From: ricdog at apk.net (Ricochet)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:06:41 -0500
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
In-Reply-To: <CAAqaxXi_UXo4EEsVjY+aWgXhmXEhg=arcngf5vYcq+3N=7p=tw@mail.gmail.com>
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Wow wee! Actual chatter from a mailing list. I'd forgotten what genuine 
chatter was on these lists.

Donkey wrote:
> I am wondering how far this is going. Will we be seeing in a couple of
> years commonly fursuits that look as if they are truly humanoid
> animals and quad suits that are almost unidentifiable as fursuit but
> are mistaken for real animals?

I think it was 10 years ago, there was all sorts of excitement over a 
real bear suit and a real (abiet GIANT) dog suit. The more real a 
fursuit gets, I say let it rock. If you want to wear it at a con, so be 
it. Be the non anthro version of the animal at a con? So be it. I only 
wish I could get that close.

The difference is a personal choice. A lot goes into performing. Say 
what you will about getting into character, when you put on a costume, 
you're not exactly who you were.  You've "transformed" your look at 
least, and people are going to see you different.

If a quad Old English Sheepdog suit came my way, and it was real 
looking/seeming down to the ears flopping, eyes moving, tounge panting, 
I'd play the part with no problem. I wouldn't be talky, popped head at 
the bar having a beer.

I have always wanted to be close to what I am. My Ric O Classic was one 
of the first with a moveable mouth so I could bark. You can't look back, 
but you can't be embarrased you're not wearing the latest thing.

True humanoid animal fursuits are the next best thing and let you enjoy 
a little more of the silly because the human side of you can perform as 
well. I wouldn't be seen with a guitar as a OES, but as an OES Anthro, 
I'd be working with claws and paws to strum away.

This fursuit thing to me has always been about being closer to who I am. 
If you want to have Jay Leno's garage, only fursuits, so be it.


-Ricochet








From vitaislade at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 26 14:44:52 2012
From: vitaislade at hotmail.com (Vitai Slade)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:44:52 -0500
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
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Wait, what? Since when did the art of performance get lost in fursuits? I've not once heard snickers or jabs about being 'too into this' when I play my character. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the entire point of fursuiting? I don't know about you guys, but I get annoyed as hell when I see someone just standing around in fursuit. Contrary to popular belief, not EVERYONE can be a fursuiter, just as not everyone can be a truly wonderful artist. You have to have a passion for acting and entertaining cause that's exactly what fursuiting is. If you are going to just put on a fursuit, stand there, and look pretty, you might as well save your money and buy something else cause in my opinion, it's a waste of fur and space. Just my two cents.

The Great White Bengal Tiger,

~Vitai Slade


> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 10:25:43 -0700
> From: kattywampus at gmail.com
> To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org
> Subject: Re: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
> 
> I agree with both of you guys.
> Today's fandom has forgotten its roots for the most part... as far as
> art and fursuiting is concerned.
> Fursuits have become the latest fashions, not a character you bring to
> life.  The mention of "mascots",  "performance", and "getting into
> character" causes snickering and comments like "You're way to into
> this" .
> 
> Times have changed, and sometimes I wonder what fandom I'm actually
> in.  I'm gonna remain oldschool, though.  B3
> 
> --CBK
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From kattywampus at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 15:11:52 2012
From: kattywampus at gmail.com (Kattywampus)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:11:52 -0700
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
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On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Vitai Slade <vitaislade at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Wait, what? Since when did the art of performance get lost in fursuits? I've
> not once heard snickers or jabs about being 'too into this' when I play my
> character. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the entire point of
> fursuiting? I don't know about you guys, but I get annoyed as hell when I
> see someone just standing around in fursuit. Contrary to popular belief, not
> EVERYONE can be a fursuiter, just as not everyone can be a truly wonderful
> artist. You have to have a passion for acting and entertaining cause that's
> exactly what fursuiting is. If you are going to just put on a fursuit, stand
> there, and look pretty, you might as well save your money and buy something
> else cause in my opinion, it's a waste of fur and space. Just my two cents.
>
> The Great White Bengal Tiger,
> ~Vitai Slade

Vitai,

You and I are two peas in a pod, kitty.  But I swear I've heard it
with my own ears.  I made a comment about people standing around
wearing expensive rugs, and was met with the kinds of comments I
mentioned.  On multiple occasions.  I've also heard furries complain
about "performing" for curious onlookers while we were on an outing in
public.  "This is MY suit.  I'm not wearing it for them.  They should
mind their own business" etc.

I'm telling you, times are changing.  And attitudes like this is why
people's minds wander about what we're doing in these costumes.

But seriously, I 100% agree with all of your opinions.

M'yow,

--CBK

From superhedgie at googlemail.com  Sun Feb 26 16:16:49 2012
From: superhedgie at googlemail.com (H T Hog)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:16:49 -0000
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
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My 2nd suit, which is still being built, has been designed by me to look 
halfway between toony and realistic. It's very manga inspired, with the idea 
for it to look truely anthro, rather than an animal standing up.

Regarding the performance part, as a trained actor and dancer, I know all 
about how to look and move when in costume. I don't like going to cons 
without a suit, since I feel I can't get fully into the spirit of the 
convention without the full experience. I've been criticised for this 
myself, having been told "You don't need a suit to enjoy the con." Well for 
me, I do. I love being in the FVS (Or FNL as it's called), and I adore all 
the dances, and never go to them unsuited.

Blaster Hedgie

> Wait, what? Since when did the art of performance get lost in fursuits? 
> I've
> not once heard snickers or jabs about being 'too into this' when I play my
> character. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the entire point of
> fursuiting? I don't know about you guys, but I get annoyed as hell when I
> see someone just standing around in fursuit. Contrary to popular belief, 
> not
> EVERYONE can be a fursuiter, just as not everyone can be a truly wonderful
> artist. You have to have a passion for acting and entertaining cause 
> that's
> exactly what fursuiting is. If you are going to just put on a fursuit, 
> stand
> there, and look pretty, you might as well save your money and buy 
> something
> else cause in my opinion, it's a waste of fur and space. Just my two 
> cents.
>
> The Great White Bengal Tiger,
> ~Vitai Slade

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donkey" <donkeyears at gmail.com>
To: <fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 3:09 PM
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits


>I am wondering how far this is going. Will we be seeing in a couple of
> years commonly fursuits that look as if they are truly humanoid
> animals and quad suits that are almost unidentifiable as fursuit but
> are mistaken for real animals? Even the toonish suits are sliding
> towards being more realistic than really truly tooish.
>
> Back when I went to my first furcons Rotty my rottweiler fursuit was
> praised for being such a realistic fursuit and by today's standards it
> would be called a toonish suit.
>
> His Most Royal Highass, Donkey
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From mushi_love at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 26 16:51:09 2012
From: mushi_love at yahoo.com (Mushi Magic)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:51:09 -0700
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
In-Reply-To: <4B32C8E0C9204AD081BD1A7F17D72C3B@kickass>
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I love the humanoid furry look. It's my specialty actually, something 
that looks like a blend of human and animal, short muzzles and even 
proportions. Everyone has their preferences and there is no reason why 
difference in style should be viewed as destructive to a group that is 
supposedly about self expression.

Change is to be expected, especially as the fandom grows but the truly 
vibrant performers will always stand out and be the focal point of 
events. A boring person in an animal costume is still boring. ^^


-MushiMagic


On 2/26/2012 2:16 PM, H T Hog wrote:
> My 2nd suit, which is still being built, has been designed by me to 
> look halfway between toony and realistic. It's very manga inspired, 
> with the idea for it to look truely anthro, rather than an animal 
> standing up.
>
> Regarding the performance part, as a trained actor and dancer, I know 
> all about how to look and move when in costume. I don't like going to 
> cons without a suit, since I feel I can't get fully into the spirit of 
> the convention without the full experience. I've been criticised for 
> this myself, having been told "You don't need a suit to enjoy the 
> con." Well for me, I do. I love being in the FVS (Or FNL as it's 
> called), and I adore all the dances, and never go to them unsuited.
>
> Blaster Hedgie
>
>> Wait, what? Since when did the art of performance get lost in 
>> fursuits? I've
>> not once heard snickers or jabs about being 'too into this' when I 
>> play my
>> character. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the entire point of
>> fursuiting? I don't know about you guys, but I get annoyed as hell 
>> when I
>> see someone just standing around in fursuit. Contrary to popular 
>> belief, not
>> EVERYONE can be a fursuiter, just as not everyone can be a truly 
>> wonderful
>> artist. You have to have a passion for acting and entertaining cause 
>> that's
>> exactly what fursuiting is. If you are going to just put on a 
>> fursuit, stand
>> there, and look pretty, you might as well save your money and buy 
>> something
>> else cause in my opinion, it's a waste of fur and space. Just my two 
>> cents.
>>
>> The Great White Bengal Tiger,
>> ~Vitai Slade
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donkey" <donkeyears at gmail.com>
> To: <fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 3:09 PM
> Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
>
>
>> I am wondering how far this is going. Will we be seeing in a couple of
>> years commonly fursuits that look as if they are truly humanoid
>> animals and quad suits that are almost unidentifiable as fursuit but
>> are mistaken for real animals? Even the toonish suits are sliding
>> towards being more realistic than really truly tooish.
>>
>> Back when I went to my first furcons Rotty my rottweiler fursuit was
>> praised for being such a realistic fursuit and by today's standards it
>> would be called a toonish suit.
>>
>> His Most Royal Highass, Donkey
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From seaweed at seaweedotter.com  Sun Feb 26 18:53:16 2012
From: seaweed at seaweedotter.com (seaweed)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:53:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
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I am a little conflicted. On one side, I do hate that fursuits just seem
to be 'how much money can I spend to make some nice eye candy?' 
But
on the other hand, I hate the idea that I always have to be
"performing" when I am in suit. I like just "standing
around" while in suit, hanging out with friends. Why? Because my suit
is like me, it is just a furrier extension of my own personality, So if I
want to stand around and hang with my friends, it could be in, or out of
my suit. 
I am not wearing my suit for other people, I am wearing it
for myself, and no one else. So I am not going to perform for others, I an
going to do what I want to in it.
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From fuzzyroo at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 19:51:21 2012
From: fuzzyroo at gmail.com (Fuzzy Roo)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:51:21 -0600
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
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To be honest:  I don't really care what direction the art is going.  Just
the fact that there are so many different suits out now is a wonderful
thing.

Art is always subjective on an individual bases.  So really, there is no
right or wrong.

Posted with HTC Droid phone...damn you auto correct!
On Feb 26, 2012 6:19 PM, "seaweed" <seaweed at seaweedotter.com> wrote:

> I am a little conflicted. On one side, I do hate that fursuits just seem
> to be 'how much money can I spend to make some nice eye candy?'
> But on the other hand, I hate the idea that I always have to be
> "performing" when I am in suit. I like just "standing around" while in
> suit, hanging out with friends. Why? Because my suit is like me, it is just
> a furrier extension of my own personality, So if I want to stand around and
> hang with my friends, it could be in, or out of my suit.
> I am not wearing my suit for other people, I am wearing it for myself, and
> no one else. So I am not going to perform for others, I an going to do what
> I want to in it.
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From sckrabei2 at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 26 23:27:38 2012
From: sckrabei2 at hotmail.com (sckrabei2)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:57:38 +1030
Subject: FL: Todays fursuits
Message-ID: <blu0-P2-EAS482F12520E5DF06DEA2A47FB690@phx.gbl>

Well, for a long time i have thought that fursuits in general had bigger heads than they actually are. Without using the excuse that the character is supposed to be huminoid is is it possible that the fandom has delibrately used this really slim body and way to small head to make up for the lack of body pods etc...

I would dearly like your thoughts on why is a smaller mascot hybrid not classified as a true fursuit:-)

Stirring the pot,

Hugs,

Snoutwhistle the cyber snugglebunny!!!

Adelaide, Australia.




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From r.higgins93 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 26 23:32:47 2012
From: r.higgins93 at yahoo.com (ryan higgins)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:32:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FL: Todays fursuits
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not too sure, but id thinkl they think that because its less "cartoony" ive read alot of messages that ppl have said most and almost all have the big cartoony heads, they see it as different than usual


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 From: sckrabei2 <sckrabei2 at hotmail.com>
To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 11:27 PM
Subject: FL: Todays fursuits
 

Well, for a long time i have thought that fursuits in general had bigger heads than they actually are. Without using the excuse that the character is supposed to be huminoid is is it possible that the fandom has delibrately used this really slim body and way to small head to make up for the lack of body pods etc...

I would dearly like your thoughts on why is a smaller mascot hybrid not classified as a true fursuit:-)

Stirring the pot,

Hugs,

Snoutwhistle the cyber snugglebunny!!!

Adelaide, Australia.




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From skippy at sk1p.com  Mon Feb 27 09:16:46 2012
From: skippy at sk1p.com (Zack F)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:16:46 -0500
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
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I still see more toony suits than realistic suits at cons. But if there 
was a trend moving toward realistic suits, so what?

I also fail to see how someone can make the connection between "more 
realistic fursuits" and "sex". A realistic fursuit is no more of a sex 
toy than a toony one.

You can voice your concerns about public perception or misrepresentation 
of the fandom, but blaming it on a random trend (if it even exists) 
comes off as radical "think of the children" paranoia.

--skippy


On 2/26/2012 7:51 PM, Fuzzy Roo wrote:
>
> To be honest:  I don't really care what direction the art is going.  
> Just the fact that there are so many different suits out now is a 
> wonderful thing.
>
> Art is always subjective on an individual bases.  So really, there is 
> no right or wrong.
>
> Posted with HTC Droid phone...damn you auto correct!
>
> On Feb 26, 2012 6:19 PM, "seaweed" <seaweed at seaweedotter.com 
> <mailto:seaweed at seaweedotter.com>> wrote:
>
>     I am a little conflicted. On one side, I do hate that fursuits
>     just seem to be 'how much money can I spend to make some nice eye
>     candy?'
>     But on the other hand, I hate the idea that I always have to be
>     "performing" when I am in suit. I like just "standing around"
>     while in suit, hanging out with friends. Why? Because my suit is
>     like me, it is just a furrier extension of my own personality, So
>     if I want to stand around and hang with my friends, it could be
>     in, or out of my suit.
>     I am not wearing my suit for other people, I am wearing it for
>     myself, and no one else. So I am not going to perform for others,
>     I an going to do what I want to in it.
>     _______________________________________________
>     _______________________________________________
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From warlovingfurry at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 27 10:37:57 2012
From: warlovingfurry at yahoo.com (Killre Wolfen)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:37:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
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the way i see it is as long as you have a suit and can have fun does it matter


From: Zack F <skippy at sk1p.com>
To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits


I still see more toony suits than realistic suits at cons. But if there was a trend moving toward realistic suits, so what? 

I also fail to see how someone can make the connection between "more realistic fursuits" and "sex". A realistic fursuit is no more of a sex toy than a toony one.

You can voice your concerns about public perception or misrepresentation of the fandom, but blaming it on a random trend (if it even exists) comes off as radical "think of the children" paranoia.

--skippy


On 2/26/2012 7:51 PM, Fuzzy Roo wrote: 
To be honest:? I don't really care what direction the art is going.? Just the fact that there are so many different suits out now is a wonderful thing.
>Art is always subjective on an individual bases.? So really, there is no right or wrong.
>Posted with HTC Droid phone...damn you auto correct!
>On Feb 26, 2012 6:19 PM, "seaweed" <seaweed at seaweedotter.com> wrote:
>
>I am a little conflicted. On one side, I do hate that fursuits just seem to be 'how much money can I spend to make some nice eye candy?' 
>>But on the other hand, I hate the idea that I always have to be "performing" when I am in suit. I like just "standing around" while in suit, hanging out with friends. Why? Because my suit is like me, it is just a furrier extension of my own personality, So if I want to stand around and hang with my friends, it could be in, or out of my suit. 
>>I am not wearing my suit for other people, I am wearing it for myself, and no one else. So I am not going to perform for others, I an going to do what I want to in it.
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From greenreaper at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 27 15:46:32 2012
From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (Laurence Parry)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:46:32 -0600
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
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> Contrary to popular belief, not EVERYONE can be a fursuiter, just as
> not everyone can be a truly wonderful artist. You have to have a passion
> for acting and entertaining cause that's exactly what fursuiting is.
> -----
> Today's fandom has forgotten its roots for the most part... as far as
> art and fursuiting is concerned. Fursuits have become the latest fashions,
> not a character you bring to life.

I agree with the idea that the role of fursuits has changed (or 
diversified), but not the implication that it's a bad thing. Just as people 
have different motivations for being in the fandom, they have different 
motivations for wearing a fursuit. seaweed's post is an excellent example of 
this.

Whether we reserve "fursuiter" for those who intend to perform is 
debatable - after all, what if you have therianthropic tendencies? You may 
be "trying to get into character", but not for anyone else's benefit.

Either way, the change is not likely to stop. Research suggests that around 
45% of furries and almost 60% of therians want
to own a fursuit - not including the ~13% who already do:
http://www.flayrah.com/3841/mixed-venue-survey-delineates-furries-therians-otherkin

I strongly doubt that the sole motivation of these people is to perform;
it may also not be their primary motivation.

For therians, there is an obvious goal - becoming closer to the physical 
form of the animal which they feel spiritually connected to. For furries, a 
fursuit is a form of identity, like con badge visible from fifty paces. It 
can be a way of interacting with people who would otherwise treat you 
differently because of your sex or race. And of course it can be used as a 
pure fashion accessory; a form of conspicuous consumption.

Around 70% of furries own accessories such as ears or tails, and I suspect
that if the price of a full fursuit dropped to the level of an accessory,
we'd see at least 60% of furs owning one - though given baggage fees, they
might not all get brought to conventions.

> You and I are two peas in a pod, kitty.  But I swear I've heard it
> with my own ears.  I made a comment about people standing around
> wearing expensive rugs, and was met with the kinds of comments I
> mentioned.

Well, in fairness, you were kinda insulting them. ;-)

More to the point, a fursuit can still be appreciated by others as artwork. 
Tapestries are just expensive rugs, yet we value them. As a photographer, I 
prefer to take action shots, but even a static shot can be nice to have as 
long as it's of something pretty.

> Even the toonish suits are sliding towards being more realistic
> than really truly tooish.
> ------
> In terms of direction - Do you really see the realism of the fursuit as a
> strong trend? ...and which of the commercial costume creators do you see
> as the principal drivers of this trend?

I'd say fursuits nowadays tend to be more *detailed* than those we've seen 
in the past. There are plenty of possible reasons for this - a desire for 
individuality and a close representation of a character, the growing ability 
of fursuit makers to meet the challenges of realistic fursuits, the fact 
that fursuits are almost always seen at close range, unlike (say) mascots, . 
. .

Cartoons are cartoony because they have to be quick to draw and easy to see 
on a fuzzy screen. Costumes of cartoons need to match the characters. 
However, furry characters span the range of tooniness, so we should expect 
fursuits to match that.

> I also fail to see how someone can make the connection between
> "more realistic fursuits" and "sex". A realistic fursuit is no more of
> a sex toy than a toony one.

I think there's a far clearer link between "people who use fursuits as part 
of their identity" and "sex". Indeed, the one person I know who does have 
sex in their fursuit explained that they wanted to feel themselves while 
doing it (they were a lifestyler who also spent a lot of time in suit around 
the house, at restaurants, etc.).

The only reason tooniness might matter is if toonier suits are more often 
used for performance rather than identity - which might be the case, but 
probably isn't a strong factor.

-- 
Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://flayrah.com
"Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?" 


From kattywampus at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 15:59:43 2012
From: kattywampus at gmail.com (Kattywampus)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:59:43 -0700
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On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Laurence Parry <greenreaper at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Well, in fairness, you were kinda insulting them. ;-)

Now, obviously I didn't say it to anyone's face, or about any certain
person in particular.  Just like how this whole discussion didn't name
any names.  It was basically a verbal version of this email
discussion, except it took place 2 years ago.  I was talking to
non-suited fursuiters and random other furries.

--CBK

From fuzzyroo at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 16:01:00 2012
From: fuzzyroo at gmail.com (Fuzzy Roo)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:01:00 -0600
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
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Boosh, there it is.  Well played Laurence.

A little addition to the sexual part of the discussion:

A major part (if not the only part) to being a member of living organisims
is reproduction.  It's natural, and a lot of the time "good".  Being human
is the biggest kinky deviance of all time.  Fursuits really don't do any
thing out of the ordinary, even if they are being ordained for sexual
fantasy.

What I'm saying is that, as furries, as homosapians, as biology, we should
all be more accepting of individual sexuality (within legal limits and
reason, of course), and not pretend it never happens.  I've found that
denying out right increases suspition of further deviance.  But
acknowledging it happens not more or less often than normal, people shrug
shoulders, and go about their buisiness.

So yeah.  Being a fur / fursuiter shouldn't force anoyone to be a prude or
into uncomfortable situations.

Ok, enough fuzzy-wisdom...I need sleep!

Posted with HTC Droid phone...damn you auto correct!
On Feb 27, 2012 2:47 PM, "Laurence Parry" <greenreaper at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Contrary to popular belief, not EVERYONE can be a fursuiter, just as
>> not everyone can be a truly wonderful artist. You have to have a passion
>> for acting and entertaining cause that's exactly what fursuiting is.
>> -----
>> Today's fandom has forgotten its roots for the most part... as far as
>> art and fursuiting is concerned. Fursuits have become the latest fashions,
>> not a character you bring to life.
>>
>
> I agree with the idea that the role of fursuits has changed (or
> diversified), but not the implication that it's a bad thing. Just as people
> have different motivations for being in the fandom, they have different
> motivations for wearing a fursuit. seaweed's post is an excellent example
> of this.
>
> Whether we reserve "fursuiter" for those who intend to perform is
> debatable - after all, what if you have therianthropic tendencies? You may
> be "trying to get into character", but not for anyone else's benefit.
>
> Either way, the change is not likely to stop. Research suggests that
> around 45% of furries and almost 60% of therians want
> to own a fursuit - not including the ~13% who already do:
> http://www.flayrah.com/3841/**mixed-venue-survey-delineates-**
> furries-therians-otherkin<http://www.flayrah.com/3841/mixed-venue-survey-delineates-furries-therians-otherkin>
>
> I strongly doubt that the sole motivation of these people is to perform;
> it may also not be their primary motivation.
>
> For therians, there is an obvious goal - becoming closer to the physical
> form of the animal which they feel spiritually connected to. For furries, a
> fursuit is a form of identity, like con badge visible from fifty paces. It
> can be a way of interacting with people who would otherwise treat you
> differently because of your sex or race. And of course it can be used as a
> pure fashion accessory; a form of conspicuous consumption.
>
> Around 70% of furries own accessories such as ears or tails, and I suspect
> that if the price of a full fursuit dropped to the level of an accessory,
> we'd see at least 60% of furs owning one - though given baggage fees, they
> might not all get brought to conventions.
>
>  You and I are two peas in a pod, kitty.  But I swear I've heard it
>> with my own ears.  I made a comment about people standing around
>> wearing expensive rugs, and was met with the kinds of comments I
>> mentioned.
>>
>
> Well, in fairness, you were kinda insulting them. ;-)
>
> More to the point, a fursuit can still be appreciated by others as
> artwork. Tapestries are just expensive rugs, yet we value them. As a
> photographer, I prefer to take action shots, but even a static shot can be
> nice to have as long as it's of something pretty.
>
>  Even the toonish suits are sliding towards being more realistic
>> than really truly tooish.
>> ------
>> In terms of direction - Do you really see the realism of the fursuit as a
>> strong trend? ...and which of the commercial costume creators do you see
>> as the principal drivers of this trend?
>>
>
> I'd say fursuits nowadays tend to be more *detailed* than those we've seen
> in the past. There are plenty of possible reasons for this - a desire for
> individuality and a close representation of a character, the growing
> ability of fursuit makers to meet the challenges of realistic fursuits, the
> fact that fursuits are almost always seen at close range, unlike (say)
> mascots, . . .
>
> Cartoons are cartoony because they have to be quick to draw and easy to
> see on a fuzzy screen. Costumes of cartoons need to match the characters.
> However, furry characters span the range of tooniness, so we should expect
> fursuits to match that.
>
>  I also fail to see how someone can make the connection between
>> "more realistic fursuits" and "sex". A realistic fursuit is no more of
>> a sex toy than a toony one.
>>
>
> I think there's a far clearer link between "people who use fursuits as
> part of their identity" and "sex". Indeed, the one person I know who does
> have sex in their fursuit explained that they wanted to feel themselves
> while doing it (they were a lifestyler who also spent a lot of time in suit
> around the house, at restaurants, etc.).
>
> The only reason tooniness might matter is if toonier suits are more often
> used for performance rather than identity - which might be the case, but
> probably isn't a strong factor.
>
> --
> Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
> http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://flayrah.com
> "Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?"
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From kattywampus at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 16:44:10 2012
From: kattywampus at gmail.com (Kattywampus)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:44:10 -0700
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On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Fuzzy Roo <fuzzyroo at gmail.com> wrote:
> A little addition to the sexual part of the discussion:
>
> A major part (if not the only part) to being a member of living organisims
> is reproduction.? It's natural, and a lot of the time "good".? Being human
> is the biggest kinky deviance of all time.? Fursuits really don't do any
> thing out of the ordinary, even if they are being ordained for sexual
> fantasy.
>
> What I'm saying is that, as furries, as homosapians, as biology, we should
> all be more accepting of individual sexuality (within legal limits and
> reason, of course), and not pretend it never happens.? I've found that
> denying out right increases suspition of further deviance.? But
> acknowledging it happens not more or less often than normal, people shrug
> shoulders, and go about their buisiness.
>
> So yeah.? Being a fur / fursuiter shouldn't force anoyone to be a prude or
> into uncomfortable situations.

Sup, FuzzyRoo!  Long time, no type!

My official stance on murrsuits is this..
I don't care if people bonk in their rugs.  That's their business, and
adults have been playing naughty dress-up since the fig leaf. You're
right, though.. acting like there's no WAY it happens makes it look
like we're hiding something.

What DOES irk me, though, is when obvious yiff-suits are walking
around interacting with the general public.

Also.. idk how we got to this part of this.. but yeah.

High on fumes at work,

--CBK

From kmartassassin at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 18:12:49 2012
From: kmartassassin at gmail.com (Jesse)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:12:49 -0600
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
Message-ID: <9gnol5ami9bj3tqr68k6x5b2.1330384369077@email.android.com>

We aren't all performers, just cause they aren't bouncing around in a 100? rug doesn't make it unmeaningful. 


Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT&T

Kattywampus <kattywampus at gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Fuzzy Roo <fuzzyroo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> A little addition to the sexual part of the discussion:
>>
>> A major part (if not the only part) to being a member of living organisims
>> is reproduction.? It's natural, and a lot of the time "good".? Being human
>> is the biggest kinky deviance of all time.? Fursuits really don't do any
>> thing out of the ordinary, even if they are being ordained for sexual
>> fantasy.
>>
>> What I'm saying is that, as furries, as homosapians, as biology, we should
>> all be more accepting of individual sexuality (within legal limits and
>> reason, of course), and not pretend it never happens.? I've found that
>> denying out right increases suspition of further deviance.? But
>> acknowledging it happens not more or less often than normal, people shrug
>> shoulders, and go about their buisiness.
>>
>> So yeah.? Being a fur / fursuiter shouldn't force anoyone to be a prude or
>> into uncomfortable situations.
>
>Sup, FuzzyRoo!  Long time, no type!
>
>My official stance on murrsuits is this..
>I don't care if people bonk in their rugs.  That's their business, and
>adults have been playing naughty dress-up since the fig leaf. You're
>right, though.. acting like there's no WAY it happens makes it look
>like we're hiding something.
>
>What DOES irk me, though, is when obvious yiff-suits are walking
>around interacting with the general public.
>
>Also.. idk how we got to this part of this.. but yeah.
>
>High on fumes at work,
>
>--CBK
>_______________________________________________
>_______________________________________________
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From fuzzyroo at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 18:19:03 2012
From: fuzzyroo at gmail.com (Fuzzy Roo)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:19:03 -0600
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
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Yo and hi :3

You get a problem, though.  Some furs have inter-changable parts, like
multiple copies of the same body.   That, and good fursuit cleaning and
general hyginie should be top priority regardless of use.

Physically, if you wear a suit through public transportation, it winds up
just as dirty, if not more, than anything to can do with a 20/20 report
black light, lol.   But seriously:  for all uses, wolight wash, anti bacta
spray, body scent spray + deoderant.

Posted with HTC Droid phone...damn you auto correct!
On Feb 27, 2012 3:44 PM, "Kattywampus" <kattywampus at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Fuzzy Roo <fuzzyroo at gmail.com> wrote:
> > A little addition to the sexual part of the discussion:
> >
> > A major part (if not the only part) to being a member of living
> organisims
> > is reproduction.  It's natural, and a lot of the time "good".  Being
> human
> > is the biggest kinky deviance of all time.  Fursuits really don't do any
> > thing out of the ordinary, even if they are being ordained for sexual
> > fantasy.
> >
> > What I'm saying is that, as furries, as homosapians, as biology, we
> should
> > all be more accepting of individual sexuality (within legal limits and
> > reason, of course), and not pretend it never happens.  I've found that
> > denying out right increases suspition of further deviance.  But
> > acknowledging it happens not more or less often than normal, people shrug
> > shoulders, and go about their buisiness.
> >
> > So yeah.  Being a fur / fursuiter shouldn't force anoyone to be a prude
> or
> > into uncomfortable situations.
>
> Sup, FuzzyRoo!  Long time, no type!
>
> My official stance on murrsuits is this..
> I don't care if people bonk in their rugs.  That's their business, and
> adults have been playing naughty dress-up since the fig leaf. You're
> right, though.. acting like there's no WAY it happens makes it look
> like we're hiding something.
>
> What DOES irk me, though, is when obvious yiff-suits are walking
> around interacting with the general public.
>
> Also.. idk how we got to this part of this.. but yeah.
>
> High on fumes at work,
>
> --CBK
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From aucune at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 18:42:55 2012
From: aucune at gmail.com (Benoit Houle)
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Personnally I think the realistic suit = made for sex connection to be fallacious.

A lot of 'adult' suit and 'modified' plushy are toonis in nature. (Not that I own or use either, but I know people who do, to each his own)

I shared the common sentiment of this list the more suits the better, partial ; full etc...

Toony or not I welcome the increase in suiters
Benoit Houle (via Talmak's Crackberry )
[aucune at gmail.com]

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From marcwolf at marcwolf.org  Mon Feb 27 19:38:01 2012
From: marcwolf at marcwolf.org (David Boccabella)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:38:01 +1000
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
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As a therio myself I have fitted in with the furry scene very well. 
However to me my suit is a way to bring my wolven side into this world.  As
such I have made him to be as realistic as possible (and continue to do so
with animatronics etc). 

When I wear him I can be comic if I want to.. but other times I just want to
relax in a form that to myself - is the real me. Interacting with people as
an intelligent being and not some childish characture

As for genitaila and it's functionability - yes I would like to have that on
my suit but only for the completeness of the illusion. I am lupine and so I
feel that the form of my male parts be simular in construction.  Wether I
use them for purely eliminatory purposes or further is entirely up to me.
Not that I would got out of my way to alienate myself to the public  But if
someone was standing next to me when I was at a rest stop then if they
looked what I hope they would see would just increase the realism.

I suppose another way to look at it is this.
If a spaceship landed and the occupants were  anthrowolf in shape and
civilised - how would they react in public. As civilised beings having
dignity.. or comic clowns.

Just my viewpoint
Marc



From aucune at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 20:05:13 2012
From: aucune at gmail.com (Benoit Houle)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:05:13 +0000
Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits
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I agree with you totally,

While I am not sure I an therian, Owl for me is a totem and spirit companion and guide and has been so for roughly 30 years...

As such I too want my owl suit to be as realistic as possible ; I however have other toonier suit I wear and have fun in it too....

But then for me ; it is the owl in me that disguise him/itself :))


Benoit Houle (via Talmak's Crackberry )
[aucune at gmail.com]

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As a therio myself I have fitted in with the furry scene very well. 
However to me my suit is a way to bring my wolven side into this world.  As
such I have made him to be as realistic as possible (and continue to do so
with animatronics etc). 

When I wear him I can be comic if I want to.. but other times I just want to
relax in a form that to myself - is the real me. Interacting with people as
an intelligent being and not some childish characture

As for genitaila and it's functionability - yes I would like to have that on
my suit but only for the completeness of the illusion. I am lupine and so I
feel that the form of my male parts be simular in construction.  Wether I
use them for purely eliminatory purposes or further is entirely up to me.
Not that I would got out of my way to alienate myself to the public  But if
someone was standing next to me when I was at a rest stop then if they
looked what I hope they would see would just increase the realism.

I suppose another way to look at it is this.
If a spaceship landed and the occupants were  anthrowolf in shape and
civilised - how would they react in public. As civilised beings having
dignity.. or comic clowns.

Just my viewpoint
Marc


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From thekayakingfox at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  5 23:35:44 2012
From: thekayakingfox at hotmail.com (Andrew Morton)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 20:35:44 -0800
Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP451AEB50A2F5249E0E87FD4DE510@phx.gbl>

I'm planning and hoping to put together a fursuit bowling event in my 
area.  The problem I am running into is how to go about contacting 
bowling centers without sounding sketchy and up to no good.  Anyone have 
suggestions so we don't surprise/upset anyone or make trouble?

Keep in mind, the area I live in has scarcely even heard of furries.

From musicofluie at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  5 23:40:32 2012
From: musicofluie at hotmail.com (Thalia Herrera)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:40:32 -0500
Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
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Hey Andrew I'd be very interested in going and Bizbone on FA may be able to help you contact a bowling alley. :) he's set up a bowling meet before! I would also like to know what area will this be in? Since I'm in the coral gables area of Miami. :) thank you!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 5, 2012, at 11:37 PM, "Andrew Morton" <thekayakingfox at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'm planning and hoping to put together a fursuit bowling event in my area.  The problem I am running into is how to go about contacting bowling centers without sounding sketchy and up to no good.  Anyone have suggestions so we don't surprise/upset anyone or make trouble?
> 
> Keep in mind, the area I live in has scarcely even heard of furries.
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From YappyFox at thefoxden.com  Tue Mar  6 00:10:48 2012
From: YappyFox at thefoxden.com (YappyFox at thefoxden.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 00:10:48 -0500
Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP451AEB50A2F5249E0E87FD4DE510@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP451AEB50A2F5249E0E87FD4DE510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <44323156-D223-423F-B263-9A4278B50011@thefoxden.com>

call them up, and tell them what you want to do. here is how I've approached it?

"A group of mascots are out having a get together for fun.  they are not for any particular company, but freelance performers who do things for private parties and charities, and they get together every once in a while to have retriets and some fun."

Things you need to ask the alley:

Are they ok with the mascots using their own feet.  Many lanes have strict policies that may not allow it.  bring a fursuit foot to the lane in question and show it to them, to show that it's a slick surface  (generally carpet bottom paws are good for this..  do not show them a paw with a rubber sole)

Find out what the group rate is..  try to get a flat rate per hour rather then per frame..  Suiters are chaotic in bowling, and skipping/changing lineup/etc makes it hard to keep frames bowled straight

Do they have a party room of some sorts, that has a private from public view, to be used as a headless lounge?

Will they supply water for the suiters?

Another thing that ticks off the lanes is when you have 10 suiters show up to play, and 30 people out of suit that don't pay to bowl, but want to just watch..   This is bad tact, and won't make friends with the lane management.  you might want to make a policy of if people are going..  even if they don't want to bowl, pay into whatever the group rate is.

and another thing that seems to be the biggest faux paux of most bowling events, and has gotten groups kicked out and banned from bowling events?
and I am not trying to start a flame with this, but I have seen it happen a couple times already..

Bowling tends to be a family, and "redneck" type event.  They do not take kindly to alternative life styles. Do not gay pride the event, dry hump, grope, kiss face, etc, etc at the lanes..  parents with kids and right wing league players may complain to the manegement, and you will get banned.  You should treat this as if you are performing in an elementary school..  all eyes are on you in fursuit, and you need to keep your actions to G rating.  If you don't look "wholesome" to the lanes, where they are not afraid of you interacting with the kids in the lanes, you will be fine..  but you won't get very far when they fear letting kids go visit the two dogs that were "humping" on the lane.


On Mar 5, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Andrew Morton wrote:

> I'm planning and hoping to put together a fursuit bowling event in my area.  The problem I am running into is how to go about contacting bowling centers without sounding sketchy and up to no good.  Anyone have suggestions so we don't surprise/upset anyone or make trouble?
> 
> Keep in mind, the area I live in has scarcely even heard of furries.
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From blinx.spark at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 01:01:05 2012
From: blinx.spark at gmail.com (Blinx Spark)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:01:05 -0700
Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
In-Reply-To: <44323156-D223-423F-B263-9A4278B50011@thefoxden.com>
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Thanks, Yappyfox

My friends have had events at skateland, and we had to do the same kind of
thing. But, the trick is, if there are gropes, dont make them a big deal.
Sure we got the occasional raised eyebrow, but its like being at school,
try to act normal when texting in class. Being one without a suit brought
attention when I was kissed or groped, but I acted normal and just laughed
it out.

Best Regards,
Blinx the Golden Retriever
On Mar 5, 2012 10:47 PM, <YappyFox at thefoxden.com> wrote:

> call them up, and tell them what you want to do. here is how I've
> approached it?
>
> "A group of mascots are out having a get together for fun.  they are not
> for any particular company, but freelance performers who do things for
> private parties and charities, and they get together every once in a while
> to have retriets and some fun."
>
> Things you need to ask the alley:
>
> Are they ok with the mascots using their own feet.  Many lanes have strict
> policies that may not allow it.  bring a fursuit foot to the lane in
> question and show it to them, to show that it's a slick surface  (generally
> carpet bottom paws are good for this..  do not show them a paw with a
> rubber sole)
>
> Find out what the group rate is..  try to get a flat rate per hour rather
> then per frame..  Suiters are chaotic in bowling, and skipping/changing
> lineup/etc makes it hard to keep frames bowled straight
>
> Do they have a party room of some sorts, that has a private from public
> view, to be used as a headless lounge?
>
> Will they supply water for the suiters?
>
> Another thing that ticks off the lanes is when you have 10 suiters show up
> to play, and 30 people out of suit that don't pay to bowl, but want to just
> watch..   This is bad tact, and won't make friends with the lane
> management.  you might want to make a policy of if people are going..  even
> if they don't want to bowl, pay into whatever the group rate is.
>
> and another thing that seems to be the biggest faux paux of most bowling
> events, and has gotten groups kicked out and banned from bowling events?
> and I am not trying to start a flame with this, but I have seen it happen
> a couple times already..
>
> Bowling tends to be a family, and "redneck" type event.  They do not take
> kindly to alternative life styles. Do not gay pride the event, dry hump,
> grope, kiss face, etc, etc at the lanes..  parents with kids and right wing
> league players may complain to the manegement, and you will get banned.
>  You should treat this as if you are performing in an elementary school..
>  all eyes are on you in fursuit, and you need to keep your actions to G
> rating.  If you don't look "wholesome" to the lanes, where they are not
> afraid of you interacting with the kids in the lanes, you will be fine..
>  but you won't get very far when they fear letting kids go visit the two
> dogs that were "humping" on the lane.
>
>
> On Mar 5, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Andrew Morton wrote:
>
> > I'm planning and hoping to put together a fursuit bowling event in my
> area.  The problem I am running into is how to go about contacting bowling
> centers without sounding sketchy and up to no good.  Anyone have
> suggestions so we don't surprise/upset anyone or make trouble?
> >
> > Keep in mind, the area I live in has scarcely even heard of furries.
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From skippy at sk1p.com  Tue Mar  6 08:09:15 2012
From: skippy at sk1p.com (=?utf-8?B?WmFjayBG?=)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 08:09:15 -0500
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Some alleys might not mind watchers if it means more sales at the bar and concession area. That might be another good thing to ask them.

--skippy

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Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
Date: Tue, Mar 6, 2012 12:10 am


call them up, and tell them what you want to do. here is how I've approached it?

"A group of mascots are out having a get together for fun.  they are not for any particular company, but freelance performers who do things for private parties and charities, and they get together every once in a while to have retriets and some fun."

Things you need to ask the alley:

Are they ok with the mascots using their own feet.  Many lanes have strict policies that may not allow it.  bring a fursuit foot to the lane in question and show it to them, to show that it's a slick surface  (generally carpet bottom paws are good for this..  do not show them a paw with a rubber sole)

Find out what the group rate is..  try to get a flat rate per hour rather then per frame..  Suiters are chaotic in bowling, and skipping/changing lineup/etc makes it hard to keep frames bowled straight

Do they have a party room of some sorts, that has a private from public view, to be used as a headless lounge?

Will they supply water for the suiters?

Another thing that ticks off the lanes is when you have 10 suiters show up to play, and 30 people out of suit that don't pay to bowl, but want to just watch..   This is bad tact, and won't make friends with the lane management.  you might want to make a policy of if people are going..  even if they don't want to bowl, pay into whatever the group rate is.

and another thing that seems to be the biggest faux paux of most bowling events, and has gotten groups kicked out and banned from bowling events?
and I am not trying to start a flame with this, but I have seen it happen a couple times already..

Bowling tends to be a family, and "redneck" type event.  They do not take kindly to alternative life styles. Do not gay pride the event, dry hump, grope, kiss face, etc, etc at the lanes..  parents with kids and right wing league players may complain to the manegement, and you will get banned.  You should treat this as if you are performing in an elementary school..  all eyes are on you in fursuit, and you need to keep your actions to G rating.  If you don't look "wholesome" to the lanes, where they are not afraid of you interacting with the kids in the lanes, you will be fine..  but you won't get very far when they fear letting kids go visit the two dogs that were "humping" on the lane.


On Mar 5, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Andrew Morton wrote:

> I'm planning and hoping to put together a fursuit bowling event in my area.  The problem I am running into is how to go about contacting bowling centers without sounding sketchy and up to no good.  Anyone have suggestions so we don't surprise/upset anyone or make trouble?
>
> Keep in mind, the area I live in has scarcely even heard of furries.
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From tresnar at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 13:33:17 2012
From: tresnar at gmail.com (Michael B.)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 10:33:17 -0800
Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
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You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to
super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate.
Furry bowling events are getting more popular - there were those articles
about the klingon-furry matchup a while back, and the local events in
Seattle have made the newspaper twice - Once back in like 2008 (Kent) and
more recently at the very wonderfully helpful Kenmore lanes and with the
help of my friend Kijani Lion.
http://www.bothell-reporter.com/community/138366109.html  /
http://www.meetup.com/furlife/events/46662392/ The way I look at it ...
your alley has a chance start something great.

If you're worried, that's what'll make you seem sketchy. Make this seem
like the best idea in the world, because maybe it is :)

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Andrew Morton <thekayakingfox at hotmail.com>wrote:

> I'm planning and hoping to put together a fursuit bowling event in my
> area.  The problem I am running into is how to go about contacting bowling
> centers without sounding sketchy and up to no good.  Anyone have
> suggestions so we don't surprise/upset anyone or make trouble?
>
> Keep in mind, the area I live in has scarcely even heard of furries.
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From rsg0910 at iglou.com  Tue Mar  6 21:25:58 2012
From: rsg0910 at iglou.com (Robert Goodwin)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 21:25:58 -0500
Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
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On Tue, Mar 06, 2012 at 10:33:17AM -0800, Michael B. wrote:

> You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to
> super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate.

Turn their ignorance into something that will benefit you and them. 
Yappy's suggestions are quite good and they work. I've set up a couple 
bowling in fursuit events and they went well. I told them we had some 
mascot costumers bowling while in costume, and we'd like to have maybe 4 
lanes. I asked if they had a changing room or a place to change that's not 
the restroom. I made no mention of furry.

Then let the event happen. Sure, you're bound to get some kids watching, 
which is a bonus. Even more so if there's a birthday event or kid's 
bowling league. You're bound to get some people watching, but there's 
always going to be someone watching others bowl, but it's not reasonable 
to have a big crowd as Yappy said.

If the alley people want to know more about the costumes/suits, bring 
along yours and your friend with his suit, and let the manager see what to 
expect. Don't give them an excuse to turn you down too quickly. 

-boogi-
(heading back to classes, trying to be a fellow student while not trying 
to be "old enough to be your daddy...")

From tycho at ws6transam.org  Wed Mar  7 09:52:35 2012
From: tycho at ws6transam.org (Tycho Brahe)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:52:35 -0500
Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
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>> You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to
>> super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate.

Interestingly,

I've never seen a fursuit in real life here in Mid-Michigan and no one
that I know has seen one before. However they will get to see one the week
of April 1st, when mine gets delivered. I have been showing people the
following picture of Tycho, which has been created by Beastcub, and with
only one or two exceptions, everyone is fascinated and wants to see it in
real life. In fact, the costume's debut will be here at my place of work
where half the company is waiting to see it. There are no prejudices
against fursuits at this point in time and I want to ensure it stays that
way.

Fursuit bowling sounds fun, however if I ever even thought that there
might be the possibility of witnessing groping / being groped in any way
other than Disney / family-friendly ways, I would most likely not attend.
It's not my culture. That kind of behavior is not conducive for setting
good impressions for the general public, especially in a place where you
find kids and older people. I want to enjoy my fursuit costume in as many
venues as possible when it arrives, and *do not* want to have to fight
against a stereotype.

So, if you bring your artwork to the bowling center, are genuinely
enthusiastic about it, you are right - you might be able to really get a
super-positive start! Who knows - They might even be able to turn it into
a marketing opportunity, especially if you can do a mini-performance for
the rest of public that happens to use the bowling center. Keep me
informed how it goes, since I'm also starting from scratch.

--Tycho

p.s. The preview of Tycho is now available via Lilleah West's gallery at
Beastcub.

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/058/5/7/aussie_shepherd_by_lilleahwest-d4r7fdk.jpg

-- 
Inquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by
necessity.


From donkeyears at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 10:56:04 2012
From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:56:04 -0600
Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
In-Reply-To: <9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP451AEB50A2F5249E0E87FD4DE510@phx.gbl>
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On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Tycho Brahe <tycho at ws6transam.org> wrote:
>>> You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to
>>> super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate.
>
>
>
> Fursuit bowling sounds fun, however if I ever even thought that there
> might be the possibility of witnessing groping / being groped in any way
> other than Disney / family-friendly ways, I would most likely not attend.
> It's not my culture. That kind of behavior is not conducive for setting
> good impressions for the general public, especially in a place where you
> find kids and older people.
> --Tycho
>

You might want to check out what really happens at the Disney parks
with the costumed characters before you make such claims. There is a
reason that. "Hi ho hi ho its off to court we go" is one of the top
ten songs at Disney.

His Most Royal Highass, Donkey

From edgeh2o_guy at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  7 11:37:18 2012
From: edgeh2o_guy at yahoo.com (edgeh2o_guy at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:37:18 +0000
Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
In-Reply-To: <CAAqaxXinbvD0z1qww8gRKzyrZuMU9DWPPGB_CfrLqq0FUAS4QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP451AEB50A2F5249E0E87FD4DE510@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry>

Regardless, no need to feed stereotypes. Best to keep public displays family friendly IMO. Now what happens in private... Lol
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Donkey <donkeyears at gmail.com>
Sender: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:56:04 
To: <fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org>
Reply-To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org
Subject: Re: FL: Organizing public fursuit events

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Tycho Brahe <tycho at ws6transam.org> wrote:
>>> You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to
>>> super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate.
>
>
>
> Fursuit bowling sounds fun, however if I ever even thought that there
> might be the possibility of witnessing groping / being groped in any way
> other than Disney / family-friendly ways, I would most likely not attend.
> It's not my culture. That kind of behavior is not conducive for setting
> good impressions for the general public, especially in a place where you
> find kids and older people.
> --Tycho
>

You might want to check out what really happens at the Disney parks
with the costumed characters before you make such claims. There is a
reason that. "Hi ho hi ho its off to court we go" is one of the top
ten songs at Disney.

His Most Royal Highass, Donkey
_______________________________________________
_______________________________________________
Fursuit Mail list.
To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register

From zachalejandro at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 11:44:14 2012
From: zachalejandro at gmail.com (Zachary Alejandro)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 10:44:14 -0600
Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
In-Reply-To: <1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry>
References: <BLU0-SMTP451AEB50A2F5249E0E87FD4DE510@phx.gbl>
	<CAFetJHM7WNhDrF99eP9yxMT9gjm9ojio5AJtZeuzxGRP4KepRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com>
	<9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com>
	<CAAqaxXinbvD0z1qww8gRKzyrZuMU9DWPPGB_CfrLqq0FUAS4QQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <CABA82Tqf1EzaGKmDYsrH_-N_UpvAdXnuZpbHirYrUrEKd1ApeA@mail.gmail.com>

Man, I wish I had a fur suit like you guys, but I don't. (Feels sad).
I really wish you or anybody else that is on the site could make me
one someday.  I really want one though.

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:37 AM,  <edgeh2o_guy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Regardless, no need to feed stereotypes. Best to keep public displays family friendly IMO. Now what happens in private... Lol
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donkey <donkeyears at gmail.com>
> Sender: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org
> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:56:04
> To: <fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org>
> Reply-To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org
> Subject: Re: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Tycho Brahe <tycho at ws6transam.org> wrote:
>>>> You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to
>>>> super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fursuit bowling sounds fun, however if I ever even thought that there
>> might be the possibility of witnessing groping / being groped in any way
>> other than Disney / family-friendly ways, I would most likely not attend.
>> It's not my culture. That kind of behavior is not conducive for setting
>> good impressions for the general public, especially in a place where you
>> find kids and older people.
>> --Tycho
>>
>
> You might want to check out what really happens at the Disney parks
> with the costumed characters before you make such claims. There is a
> reason that. "Hi ho hi ho its off to court we go" is one of the top
> ten songs at Disney.
>
> His Most Royal Highass, Donkey
> _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> Fursuit Mail list.
> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register
> _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> Fursuit Mail list.
> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register



-- 
from the desk of zach alejandro

From donkeyears at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 11:46:55 2012
From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 10:46:55 -0600
Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
In-Reply-To: <CABA82Tqf1EzaGKmDYsrH_-N_UpvAdXnuZpbHirYrUrEKd1ApeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP451AEB50A2F5249E0E87FD4DE510@phx.gbl>
	<CAFetJHM7WNhDrF99eP9yxMT9gjm9ojio5AJtZeuzxGRP4KepRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com>
	<9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com>
	<CAAqaxXinbvD0z1qww8gRKzyrZuMU9DWPPGB_CfrLqq0FUAS4QQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry>
	<CABA82Tqf1EzaGKmDYsrH_-N_UpvAdXnuZpbHirYrUrEKd1ApeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAqaxXgfrZmM6BLjoegZSnYQaq8AjbbKdrmLNzvmz+fpq_uJqw@mail.gmail.com>

There are plenty of how to information on the web site. Make your own
fursuit lots of have.

His Most Royal Highass, Donkey

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Zachary Alejandro
<zachalejandro at gmail.com> wrote:
> Man, I wish I had a fur suit like you guys, but I don't. (Feels sad).
> I really wish you or anybody else that is on the site could make me
> one someday. ?I really want one though.
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:37 AM, ?<edgeh2o_guy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Regardless, no need to feed stereotypes. Best to keep public displays family friendly IMO. Now what happens in private... Lol
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Donkey <donkeyears at gmail.com>
>> Sender: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org
>> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:56:04
>> To: <fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org>
>> Reply-To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org
>> Subject: Re: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Tycho Brahe <tycho at ws6transam.org> wrote:
>>>>> You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to
>>>>> super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fursuit bowling sounds fun, however if I ever even thought that there
>>> might be the possibility of witnessing groping / being groped in any way
>>> other than Disney / family-friendly ways, I would most likely not attend.
>>> It's not my culture. That kind of behavior is not conducive for setting
>>> good impressions for the general public, especially in a place where you
>>> find kids and older people.
>>> --Tycho
>>>
>>
>> You might want to check out what really happens at the Disney parks
>> with the costumed characters before you make such claims. There is a
>> reason that. "Hi ho hi ho its off to court we go" is one of the top
>> ten songs at Disney.
>>
>> His Most Royal Highass, Donkey
>> _______________________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> Fursuit Mail list.
>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register
>> _______________________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> Fursuit Mail list.
>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register
>
>
>
> --
> from the desk of zach alejandro
> _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> Fursuit Mail list.
> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register

From zachalejandro at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 11:54:52 2012
From: zachalejandro at gmail.com (Zachary Alejandro)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 10:54:52 -0600
Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
In-Reply-To: <CAAqaxXgfrZmM6BLjoegZSnYQaq8AjbbKdrmLNzvmz+fpq_uJqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP451AEB50A2F5249E0E87FD4DE510@phx.gbl>
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	<20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com>
	<9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com>
	<CAAqaxXinbvD0z1qww8gRKzyrZuMU9DWPPGB_CfrLqq0FUAS4QQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry>
	<CABA82Tqf1EzaGKmDYsrH_-N_UpvAdXnuZpbHirYrUrEKd1ApeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAqaxXgfrZmM6BLjoegZSnYQaq8AjbbKdrmLNzvmz+fpq_uJqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABA82TrdWheV5Nt_tcPMpNPB8hQgtOM3yo6TMhUgC+SNYx0qrg@mail.gmail.com>

I will give it a try. Considering I am living with my mom and sister
and brother. So I am not sure about it. Any ideas of what I can do
about it?

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Donkey <donkeyears at gmail.com> wrote:
> There are plenty of how to information on the web site. Make your own
> fursuit lots of have.
>
> His Most Royal Highass, Donkey
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Zachary Alejandro
> <zachalejandro at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Man, I wish I had a fur suit like you guys, but I don't. (Feels sad).
>> I really wish you or anybody else that is on the site could make me
>> one someday. ?I really want one though.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:37 AM, ?<edgeh2o_guy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Regardless, no need to feed stereotypes. Best to keep public displays family friendly IMO. Now what happens in private... Lol
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Donkey <donkeyears at gmail.com>
>>> Sender: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:56:04
>>> To: <fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org>
>>> Reply-To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org
>>> Subject: Re: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Tycho Brahe <tycho at ws6transam.org> wrote:
>>>>>> You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to
>>>>>> super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fursuit bowling sounds fun, however if I ever even thought that there
>>>> might be the possibility of witnessing groping / being groped in any way
>>>> other than Disney / family-friendly ways, I would most likely not attend.
>>>> It's not my culture. That kind of behavior is not conducive for setting
>>>> good impressions for the general public, especially in a place where you
>>>> find kids and older people.
>>>> --Tycho
>>>>
>>>
>>> You might want to check out what really happens at the Disney parks
>>> with the costumed characters before you make such claims. There is a
>>> reason that. "Hi ho hi ho its off to court we go" is one of the top
>>> ten songs at Disney.
>>>
>>> His Most Royal Highass, Donkey
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Fursuit Mail list.
>>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Fursuit Mail list.
>>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> from the desk of zach alejandro
>> _______________________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> Fursuit Mail list.
>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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From anthrobunny at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 11:56:46 2012
From: anthrobunny at gmail.com (Blackberry)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:56:46 -0800
Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
In-Reply-To: <CABA82Tqf1EzaGKmDYsrH_-N_UpvAdXnuZpbHirYrUrEKd1ApeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP451AEB50A2F5249E0E87FD4DE510@phx.gbl>
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	<20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com>
	<9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com>
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Message-ID: <C4F028C3-69C9-44BD-8028-E6CCF26A2DD1@gmail.com>

I didn't know the first thing about making fursuits when I made my first one. $100 for supplies and I taught myself how to sew.

---
Sent from I, Phone


On Mar 7, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Zachary Alejandro <zachalejandro at gmail.com> wrote:

> Man, I wish I had a fur suit like you guys, but I don't. (Feels sad).
> I really wish you or anybody else that is on the site could make me
> one someday.  I really want one though.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:37 AM,  <edgeh2o_guy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Regardless, no need to feed stereotypes. Best to keep public displays family friendly IMO. Now what happens in private... Lol
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Donkey <donkeyears at gmail.com>
>> Sender: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org
>> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:56:04
>> To: <fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org>
>> Reply-To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org
>> Subject: Re: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Tycho Brahe <tycho at ws6transam.org> wrote:
>>>>> You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to
>>>>> super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Fursuit bowling sounds fun, however if I ever even thought that there
>>> might be the possibility of witnessing groping / being groped in any way
>>> other than Disney / family-friendly ways, I would most likely not attend.
>>> It's not my culture. That kind of behavior is not conducive for setting
>>> good impressions for the general public, especially in a place where you
>>> find kids and older people.
>>> --Tycho
>>> 
>> 
>> You might want to check out what really happens at the Disney parks
>> with the costumed characters before you make such claims. There is a
>> reason that. "Hi ho hi ho its off to court we go" is one of the top
>> ten songs at Disney.
>> 
>> His Most Royal Highass, Donkey
>> _______________________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> Fursuit Mail list.
>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register
>> _______________________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> Fursuit Mail list.
>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> from the desk of zach alejandro
> _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> Fursuit Mail list.
> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register

From donkeyears at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 12:37:28 2012
From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:37:28 -0600
Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
In-Reply-To: <CABA82TrdWheV5Nt_tcPMpNPB8hQgtOM3yo6TMhUgC+SNYx0qrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP451AEB50A2F5249E0E87FD4DE510@phx.gbl>
	<CAFetJHM7WNhDrF99eP9yxMT9gjm9ojio5AJtZeuzxGRP4KepRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com>
	<9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com>
	<CAAqaxXinbvD0z1qww8gRKzyrZuMU9DWPPGB_CfrLqq0FUAS4QQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry>
	<CABA82Tqf1EzaGKmDYsrH_-N_UpvAdXnuZpbHirYrUrEKd1ApeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAqaxXgfrZmM6BLjoegZSnYQaq8AjbbKdrmLNzvmz+fpq_uJqw@mail.gmail.com>
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I would suggest that the first fursuit that you make you use the
cheapest material that you can find and when your done throw it out.
You will make lots of mistakes and if you will be throwing the test
suit out anyways you wont get discouraged.

Good luck

His Most Royal Highass, Donkey

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Zachary Alejandro
<zachalejandro at gmail.com> wrote:
> I will give it a try. Considering I am living with my mom and sister
> and brother. So I am not sure about it. Any ideas of what I can do
> about it?
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Donkey <donkeyears at gmail.com> wrote:
>> There are plenty of how to information on the web site. Make your own
>> fursuit lots of have.
>>
>> His Most Royal Highass, Donkey
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Zachary Alejandro
>> <zachalejandro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Man, I wish I had a fur suit like you guys, but I don't. (Feels sad).
>>> I really wish you or anybody else that is on the site could make me
>>> one someday. ?I really want one though.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:37 AM, ?<edgeh2o_guy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Regardless, no need to feed stereotypes. Best to keep public displays family friendly IMO. Now what happens in private... Lol
>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Donkey <donkeyears at gmail.com>
>>>> Sender: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org
>>>> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:56:04
>>>> To: <fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org>
>>>> Reply-To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org
>>>> Subject: Re: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Tycho Brahe <tycho at ws6transam.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to
>>>>>>> super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fursuit bowling sounds fun, however if I ever even thought that there
>>>>> might be the possibility of witnessing groping / being groped in any way
>>>>> other than Disney / family-friendly ways, I would most likely not attend.
>>>>> It's not my culture. That kind of behavior is not conducive for setting
>>>>> good impressions for the general public, especially in a place where you
>>>>> find kids and older people.
>>>>> --Tycho
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You might want to check out what really happens at the Disney parks
>>>> with the costumed characters before you make such claims. There is a
>>>> reason that. "Hi ho hi ho its off to court we go" is one of the top
>>>> ten songs at Disney.
>>>>
>>>> His Most Royal Highass, Donkey
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Fursuit Mail list.
>>>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Fursuit Mail list.
>>>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> from the desk of zach alejandro
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Fursuit Mail list.
>>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register
>> _______________________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> Fursuit Mail list.
>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register
>
>
>
> --
> from the desk of zach alejandro
> _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> Fursuit Mail list.
> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register

From tycho at ws6transam.org  Wed Mar  7 12:16:45 2012
From: tycho at ws6transam.org (Tycho Brahe)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:16:45 -0500
Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
In-Reply-To: <CAAqaxXinbvD0z1qww8gRKzyrZuMU9DWPPGB_CfrLqq0FUAS4QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP451AEB50A2F5249E0E87FD4DE510@phx.gbl>
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I'm not really making a claim; more like a perception. I want to
participate in an environment that fits the perceived 'Disney' standard of
behavior as recognized by the general public. Whether or not that standard
is broken by some individuals within the employ of Disney does not by
itself change the standard. Misbehavior can be found anywhere you go.

Misbehavior means behavior that is not in keeping with the culture of your
current environment. I like to have fun and push the envelope once and a
while, but I don't necessarily feel the need to misbehave. Different
environments give us the chance to behave in different ways without
misbehaving. I love to hit 145 MPH at the top-end of the track at Memphis
Motorsports park (or Gingerman raceway in Michigan) when racing my Trans
Am, but I stick to no more than five MPH over the speed limit when
cruising the freeway. I happily follow the traffic guidelines to set a
positive example. Same deal; find an environment where the behavior is
acceptable.

In this case, interacting within a non-furry public at a bowling alley,
the best thing to do is conform to the mainstream culture in terms of
behavior but do it in a whimsical way that encourages positive feelings
without making the other guests uncomfortable. No dry humping, no groping,
and no throwing bowling balls down the aisle to knock down little kids. No
matter how much fun it might seem like at the time... It makes the
parents, management, and patrons uncomfortable. Save it for a furrycon
where knocking down then glomping a fellow fursuiter is accepted as
standard behavior..

..though maybe I'm simply reading too seriously into your joke ;)


> You might want to check out what really happens at the Disney parks
> with the costumed characters before you make such claims. There is a
> reason that. "Hi ho hi ho its off to court we go" is one of the top
> ten songs at Disney.


-- 
Inquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by
necessity.


From snoopy at foobox.com  Wed Mar  7 13:22:11 2012
From: snoopy at foobox.com (stephen)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:22:11 -0500
Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
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Message-ID: <001401ccfc8f$376fabd0$a64f0370$@com>

Not addressing this to anyone in particular, but someone ought to mention
the etiquette of not hijacking a thread with another topic. Fursuit Building
doesn't have much to do with Organizing Public Fursuit Events. Please change
the subject of the new topic so it's not confused with the original topic.

Thanks.



--
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
        -- Mark Twain





From thekayakingfox at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  8 15:06:39 2012
From: thekayakingfox at hotmail.com (Andrew Morton)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:06:39 -0800
Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events
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Aww, don't feel bad.  I don't have a fursuit either, but I have multiple 
friends who do that I'm acting as front man/public relations for.  I'm 
saving up for a fursuit though!

On 3/7/2012 8:44 AM, Zachary Alejandro wrote:
> Man, I wish I had a fur suit like you guys, but I don't. (Feels sad).
> I really wish you or anybody else that is on the site could make me
> one someday.  I really want one though.

From tycho at ws6transam.org  Thu Mar  8 15:21:07 2012
From: tycho at ws6transam.org (Tycho Brahe)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 15:21:07 -0500
Subject: FL: saving for a suit
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I started saving on December of 2009 but couldn't convince the wife that
"we" should save 'our' money for such a thing. So I parted out a '72 Honda
SL350 motorcycle that I got for free, sold my 25th anniversary Crafter ML
Rose acoustic guitar, sold my PLC controlled ceramics kiln, and both sets
of race tires to finance the project.

Two years later.... at the end of this month, it'll finally get delivered.
Sometimes it takes a while, Zach.  Fifty bucks at a time and you'll get
there.

Oh, and I just got word from city council from the neighboring city that
they'd be happy to have me in their Jubilee parade in costume in late
June. "The crazier the better", the parade organizer said. She said that
they wanted it to be less centered on vintage tractors.

Let's hope for partly cloudy and mid-70's :)


On Thu, March 8, 2012 3:06 pm, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Aww, don't feel bad.  I don't have a fursuit either, but I have multiple
> friends who do that I'm acting as front man/public relations for.  I'm
> saving up for a fursuit though!
>
> On 3/7/2012 8:44 AM, Zachary Alejandro wrote:
>> Man, I wish I had a fur suit like you guys, but I don't. (Feels sad).
>> I really wish you or anybody else that is on the site could make me
>> one someday.  I really want one though.
> _______________________________________________
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necessity.


From thekayakingfox at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  8 16:32:19 2012
From: thekayakingfox at hotmail.com (Andrew Morton)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 13:32:19 -0800
Subject: FL: saving for a suit
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Sad that you had to sell all of that stuff but it must save a lot of 
space for the suit!  I've been saving money from paychecks since June to 
fund my fursuit endeavors.  Makes it easier that my mate and I keep our 
finances separate, that way we can manage things our own way and still 
pay all the bills :)

One saving method I've found works is taking a small percentage out of 
my pay immediately while still leaving enough for bills, groceries, and 
other neccesary expenses.  Now obviously this method doesn't work for 
everyone but it's still a good concept.

On 3/8/2012 12:21 PM, Tycho Brahe wrote:
> I started saving on December of 2009 but couldn't convince the wife that
> "we" should save 'our' money for such a thing. So I parted out a '72 Honda
> SL350 motorcycle that I got for free, sold my 25th anniversary Crafter ML
> Rose acoustic guitar, sold my PLC controlled ceramics kiln, and both sets
> of race tires to finance the project.
>
> Two years later.... at the end of this month, it'll finally get delivered.
> Sometimes it takes a while, Zach.  Fifty bucks at a time and you'll get
> there.
>
> Oh, and I just got word from city council from the neighboring city that
> they'd be happy to have me in their Jubilee parade in costume in late
> June. "The crazier the better", the parade organizer said. She said that
> they wanted it to be less centered on vintage tractors.
>
> Let's hope for partly cloudy and mid-70's :)

From kattywampus at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 16:37:55 2012
From: kattywampus at gmail.com (Kattywampus)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 14:37:55 -0700
Subject: FL: saving for a suit
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You should totally keep an eye out for fur sales and stuff.  Even at
places like Wal-Mart after Halloween.  Hoard the stuff until you find
a use for it!

This suit cost me $35 total to make:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/179924/

Best Wishes,

--Kattywampus

From smorizio at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 12 07:32:29 2012
From: smorizio at hotmail.com (steven morizio)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:32:29 -0400
Subject: FL: saving for a suit
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most banks and credit unions have auto trasfur now. you can iopen a savgings or xmoss type of account and have the bank move a few dollars a week to the saving account to fund your suit. Also pick up a large jar and toss your extra change into it. a years worth of spare change can add up quickly. one other trick is holiday temp job. places like walmart if there open 24 hours for the xmas season need stockers and or unloaders or people to put bikes together. 
 		 	   		  
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From smorizio at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 21 01:18:21 2012
From: smorizio at hotmail.com (steven morizio)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 01:18:21 -0400
Subject: FL: for those furs that wished they could fly...we just got one
 step closer.
Message-ID: <SNT126-W10CC655E79941291AB6EC9D9400@phx.gbl>


take a look on wired or youtube for the words 
Man Successfully Flies With Custom-Built Bird Wings
a eng student with a android phone and some cloth flew. there some nice videos on-line of him taking off from a golf course.
 		 	   		  
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From tigrospottystripes at gmail.com  Wed Mar 21 07:45:05 2012
From: tigrospottystripes at gmail.com (Tigro Spottystripes)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 08:45:05 -0300
Subject: FL: for those furs that wished they could fly...we just got one
 step closer.
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Doesn't look real when he is in the air...i smell a hoax...

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:18 AM, steven morizio <smorizio at hotmail.com>wrote:

>  take a look on wired or youtube for the words
> Man Successfully Flies With Custom-Built Bird Wings
>
> a eng student with a android phone and some cloth flew. there some nice
> videos on-line of him taking off from a golf course.
>
>
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From donkeyears at gmail.com  Wed Mar 21 08:54:56 2012
From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 07:54:56 -0500
Subject: FL: for those furs that wished they could fly...we just got one
 step closer.
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It is a hoax. Thingsjust don't quite add up.

For example, why is he flapping the wings? Birds open up there wing
tip feathers so air can pass through them on the up beat and close
them on the down beat to trap the air under the wing to give lift. I
don't see anything on the wings that would let air pass through the
wings on the up beat. The frame would be a lot more durable with out
the motion of beating wings. So why is he flapping the wings?

If it was not for the beating of the wings I would be more inclined to
believe the video.

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Tigro Spottystripes
<tigrospottystripes at gmail.com> wrote:
> Doesn't look real when he is in the air...i smell a hoax...
>
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:18 AM, steven morizio <smorizio at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> take a look on wired or youtube for the words
>>
>> Man Successfully Flies With Custom-Built Bird Wings
>>
>>
>>
>> a eng student with a android phone and some cloth flew. there some nice
>> videos on-line of him taking off from a golf course.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> Fursuit Mail list.
>> To edit your subscription, visit:
>> http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register
>
>
>
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From donkeyears at gmail.com  Wed Mar 21 08:57:04 2012
From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 07:57:04 -0500
Subject: FL: for those furs that wished they could fly...we just got one
 step closer.
In-Reply-To: <CAAqaxXjDHz52NTTyzrRCm8LQaxf_gi6-WDzer6OVnp4kGSVe0w@mail.gmail.com>
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Reading the comments that where posted about the video it is a total hoax.

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Donkey <donkeyears at gmail.com> wrote:
> It is a hoax. Thingsjust don't quite add up.
>
> For example, why is he flapping the wings? Birds open up there wing
> tip feathers so air can pass through them on the up beat and close
> them on the down beat to trap the air under the wing to give lift. I
> don't see anything on the wings that would let air pass through the
> wings on the up beat. The frame would be a lot more durable with out
> the motion of beating wings. So why is he flapping the wings?
>
> If it was not for the beating of the wings I would be more inclined to
> believe the video.
>
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Tigro Spottystripes
> <tigrospottystripes at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Doesn't look real when he is in the air...i smell a hoax...
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:18 AM, steven morizio <smorizio at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> take a look on wired or youtube for the words
>>>
>>> Man Successfully Flies With Custom-Built Bird Wings
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> a eng student with a android phone and some cloth flew. there some nice
>>> videos on-line of him taking off from a golf course.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Fursuit Mail list.
>>> To edit your subscription, visit:
>>> http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> Fursuit Mail list.
>> To edit your subscription, visit:
>> http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register

From tigrospottystripes at gmail.com  Wed Mar 21 09:57:16 2012
From: tigrospottystripes at gmail.com (Tigro Spottystripes)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:57:16 -0300
Subject: FL: for those furs that wished they could fly...we just got one
 step closer.
In-Reply-To: <CAAqaxXjDHz52NTTyzrRCm8LQaxf_gi6-WDzer6OVnp4kGSVe0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT126-W10CC655E79941291AB6EC9D9400@phx.gbl>
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There have been manned airplanes that achieve propulsion and lift with
flapping wings, such aircrafts are called "ornithopters".


There was even a human powered one; according to Wikipedia:
"On August 2, 2010, Todd Reichert of the University of Toronto Institute
for Aerospace Studies piloted a human-powered ornithopter named
Snowbird<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowbird_%28ornithopter%29>.
The 32 metres (105 ft 0 in) wingspan 42 kilograms (93 lb) aircraft was
constructed from carbon fibre <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fibre>,
balsa, and foam. The pilot sat in a small cockpit suspended below the wings
and pumped a bar with his feet to operate a system of wires that flapped
the wings up and down. Towed by a car until airborne, it then sustained
flight for almost 20 seconds. It flew 145 meters with an average speed of
25.6 km/h (7.1 m/s)
[10]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornitopter#cite_note-9>Similar
tow-launched flights were made in the past, but improved data
collection verified that the ornithopter was capable of self-powered flight
once aloft.[11] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornitopter#cite_note-10>"

But it should be noted this one involved the pilot pushing with his legs
and couldn't take off by itself, i'm not sure if humans got the right
power/weight and endurance/weight ratios required to repeat that feat using
the arms...

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Donkey <donkeyears at gmail.com> wrote:

> It is a hoax. Thingsjust don't quite add up.
>
> For example, why is he flapping the wings? Birds open up there wing
> tip feathers so air can pass through them on the up beat and close
> them on the down beat to trap the air under the wing to give lift. I
> don't see anything on the wings that would let air pass through the
> wings on the up beat. The frame would be a lot more durable with out
> the motion of beating wings. So why is he flapping the wings?
>
> If it was not for the beating of the wings I would be more inclined to
> believe the video.
>
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Tigro Spottystripes
> <tigrospottystripes at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Doesn't look real when he is in the air...i smell a hoax...
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:18 AM, steven morizio <smorizio at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> take a look on wired or youtube for the words
> >>
> >> Man Successfully Flies With Custom-Built Bird Wings
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> a eng student with a android phone and some cloth flew. there some nice
> >> videos on-line of him taking off from a golf course.
> >>
> >>
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From tigrospottystripes at gmail.com  Wed Mar 21 15:21:09 2012
From: tigrospottystripes at gmail.com (Tigro Spottystripes)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:21:09 -0300
Subject: FL: for those furs that wished they could fly...we just got one
 step closer.
In-Reply-To: <CA+bERV_T5tV6o=bRcsodLxAxJrUT8upAN+hrKOrt467ih0tUxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT126-W10CC655E79941291AB6EC9D9400@phx.gbl>
	<CA+bERV8JHfKio+bWA8OYWbBN6hK2HHSN8THSezbCmQ9p5isbTg@mail.gmail.com>
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And here's the nail on the coffin:
http://gizmodo.com/5895235/cgi-experts-say-flying-bird-man-is-fake

Sorry to burst your bubble; i too wish it was real; unfortunatly it isn't.

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Tigro Spottystripes <
tigrospottystripes at gmail.com> wrote:

> There have been manned airplanes that achieve propulsion and lift with
> flapping wings, such aircrafts are called "ornithopters".
>
>
> There was even a human powered one; according to Wikipedia:
> "On August 2, 2010, Todd Reichert of the University of Toronto Institute
> for Aerospace Studies piloted a human-powered ornithopter named Snowbird<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowbird_%28ornithopter%29>.
> The 32 metres (105 ft 0 in) wingspan 42 kilograms (93 lb) aircraft was
> constructed from carbon fibre <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fibre>,
> balsa, and foam. The pilot sat in a small cockpit suspended below the wings
> and pumped a bar with his feet to operate a system of wires that flapped
> the wings up and down. Towed by a car until airborne, it then sustained
> flight for almost 20 seconds. It flew 145 meters with an average speed of
> 25.6 km/h (7.1 m/s) [10]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornitopter#cite_note-9>Similar tow-launched flights were made in the past, but improved data
> collection verified that the ornithopter was capable of self-powered flight
> once aloft.[11] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornitopter#cite_note-10>"
>
> But it should be noted this one involved the pilot pushing with his legs
> and couldn't take off by itself, i'm not sure if humans got the right
> power/weight and endurance/weight ratios required to repeat that feat using
> the arms...
>
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Donkey <donkeyears at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It is a hoax. Thingsjust don't quite add up.
>>
>> For example, why is he flapping the wings? Birds open up there wing
>> tip feathers so air can pass through them on the up beat and close
>> them on the down beat to trap the air under the wing to give lift. I
>> don't see anything on the wings that would let air pass through the
>> wings on the up beat. The frame would be a lot more durable with out
>> the motion of beating wings. So why is he flapping the wings?
>>
>> If it was not for the beating of the wings I would be more inclined to
>> believe the video.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Tigro Spottystripes
>> <tigrospottystripes at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Doesn't look real when he is in the air...i smell a hoax...
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:18 AM, steven morizio <smorizio at hotmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> take a look on wired or youtube for the words
>> >>
>> >> Man Successfully Flies With Custom-Built Bird Wings
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> a eng student with a android phone and some cloth flew. there some nice
>> >> videos on-line of him taking off from a golf course.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Fursuit Mail list.
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From tycho at ws6transam.org  Mon Apr  2 08:10:54 2012
From: tycho at ws6transam.org (Tycho Brahe)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 08:10:54 -0400
Subject: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality
Message-ID: <3d0ca47f875a83db826667c359ded2ac.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com>

As a brand-new fursuiter, I would like to learn how to create the most
charming character I can out of this fine creation. I originally planned
on creating a 90-second martial arts demo for in-costume performance, so
my character will probably employ some elements of martial arts. However
the focus has changed over the past couple years, and furry cons are no
longer a possibility. I'll probably get the chance to interact with the
public here in the Lansing, MI area but it'll have to be without a
handler. Events like pet store appearances, parades, kid-friendly local
festivals, etc.

Thus, I need to figure out some of the movements & motions that make a
character come to life in the friendliest, most endearing way possible.
Stuff that makes a child want to laugh & play, and a regular parent go
"Awww, that is a cool costume!", and makes an event organizer want to ask
me to return for the next event.

Marcwolf, I know you've done this stuff before. Have you figured out what
works and probably more importantly, what doesn't work?

Tenatively I have three events lined up for this summer & fall - One's a
for sure: A two hour morning session, assisting a clown at a local event
in late July.

http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office_resize.jpg
http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office4.jpg
http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office3.jpg
http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office5.jpg
-- 
Inquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by
necessity.


From scape at scape-thegoat.com  Mon Apr  2 09:27:03 2012
From: scape at scape-thegoat.com (Scapegoat)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:27:03 -0400
Subject: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality
In-Reply-To: <3d0ca47f875a83db826667c359ded2ac.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com>
References: <3d0ca47f875a83db826667c359ded2ac.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com>
Message-ID: <D65032B5-C3E4-4448-A1A2-21ACB51C4DD8@scape-thegoat.com>

I would never go anywhere without a handler.
~Scape

On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:10 AM, "Tycho Brahe" <tycho at ws6transam.org> wrote:

As a brand-new fursuiter, I would like to learn how to create the most
charming character I can out of this fine creation. I originally planned
on creating a 90-second martial arts demo for in-costume performance, so
my character will probably employ some elements of martial arts. However
the focus has changed over the past couple years, and furry cons are no
longer a possibility. I'll probably get the chance to interact with the
public here in the Lansing, MI area but it'll have to be without a
handler. Events like pet store appearances, parades, kid-friendly local
festivals, etc.

Thus, I need to figure out some of the movements & motions that make a
character come to life in the friendliest, most endearing way possible.
Stuff that makes a child want to laugh & play, and a regular parent go
"Awww, that is a cool costume!", and makes an event organizer want to ask
me to return for the next event.

Marcwolf, I know you've done this stuff before. Have you figured out what
works and probably more importantly, what doesn't work?

Tenatively I have three events lined up for this summer & fall - One's a
for sure: A two hour morning session, assisting a clown at a local event
in late July.

http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office_resize.jpg
http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office4.jpg
http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office3.jpg
http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office5.jpg
-- 
Inquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by
necessity.

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From mx5madness at aol.com  Mon Apr  2 10:03:23 2012
From: mx5madness at aol.com (mx5madness at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 10:03:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality
In-Reply-To: <D65032B5-C3E4-4448-A1A2-21ACB51C4DD8@scape-thegoat.com>
References: <3d0ca47f875a83db826667c359ded2ac.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com>
	<D65032B5-C3E4-4448-A1A2-21ACB51C4DD8@scape-thegoat.com>
Message-ID: <8CEDEF08097EE17-15E4-10485@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com>


'Never' is kinda broad.........
I'm a new suiter, too. Last year was my first year in costume; did three cons- FAU4, Anthrocon, and FurFright. Had a handler at all but Anthrocon. Going without a handler was a bit of a challenge, but I survived, and had a great time. Of course, Anthrocon is as fursuit friendly as a place can be. Broad hallways, good lighting, cool temperatures. I'm not sure I'd go out in public, at least not without the support of a group. Too easy to overheat, encounter a drunk, or a misbehaving child. If you're outside a facility, it's too easy to trip, and the places to take a headless break may not be apparant.
As to the performance, great question! With that wonderful suit, I'm sure everyone will go 'AWWWWW!' whatever you do.


mx5madness at aol.com
Find me at about.me/scottchamberlainlaw.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Scapegoat <scape at scape-thegoat.com>
To: fursuit-list <fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org>
Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:34 am
Subject: Re: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality


I would never go anywhere without a handler.
Scape
On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:10 AM, "Tycho Brahe" <tycho at ws6transam.org> wrote:
As a brand-new fursuiter, I would like to learn how to create the most
harming character I can out of this fine creation. I originally planned
n creating a 90-second martial arts demo for in-costume performance, so
y character will probably employ some elements of martial arts. However
he focus has changed over the past couple years, and furry cons are no
onger a possibility. I'll probably get the chance to interact with the
ublic here in the Lansing, MI area but it'll have to be without a
andler. Events like pet store appearances, parades, kid-friendly local
estivals, etc.
Thus, I need to figure out some of the movements & motions that make a
haracter come to life in the friendliest, most endearing way possible.
tuff that makes a child want to laugh & play, and a regular parent go
Awww, that is a cool costume!", and makes an event organizer want to ask
e to return for the next event.
Marcwolf, I know you've done this stuff before. Have you figured out what
orks and probably more importantly, what doesn't work?
Tenatively I have three events lined up for this summer & fall - One's a
or sure: A two hour morning session, assisting a clown at a local event
n late July.
http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office_resize.jpg
ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office4.jpg
ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office3.jpg
ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office5.jpg
- 
nquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by
ecessity.
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From espilonarge at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 11:11:41 2012
From: espilonarge at gmail.com (Christopher Halyday)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 01:11:41 +1000
Subject: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality
In-Reply-To: <8CEDEF08097EE17-15E4-10485@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com>
References: <3d0ca47f875a83db826667c359ded2ac.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com>
	<D65032B5-C3E4-4448-A1A2-21ACB51C4DD8@scape-thegoat.com>
	<8CEDEF08097EE17-15E4-10485@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAJO-A1MAR3t7GNF6ipT-Sk5F2Kney+9-KnaMz_USm3+x4n=-LQ@mail.gmail.com>

As a personal suggestion, I would look on YouTube and study what other
fursuiters do, especially with encounters of the "small" kind (aka
children and possibly pets) and what I should do when approached by
these kinds of situations. Although they may have a handler with them
in a number of videos, the majority of them act on their own accord
and in some cases a handler won't always be quick to react to a
situation when it arises (has happened a couple of times to me).

While I'm still personally learning how to fursuit myself (only been
suiting for a couple of years now), there's still ways I'm learning to
improve on what I can do and visual aids from studying other
fursuiters through videos should surfice. :)

On 4/3/12, mx5madness at aol.com <mx5madness at aol.com> wrote:
>
> 'Never' is kinda broad.........
> I'm a new suiter, too. Last year was my first year in costume; did three
> cons- FAU4, Anthrocon, and FurFright. Had a handler at all but Anthrocon.
> Going without a handler was a bit of a challenge, but I survived, and had a
> great time. Of course, Anthrocon is as fursuit friendly as a place can be.
> Broad hallways, good lighting, cool temperatures. I'm not sure I'd go out in
> public, at least not without the support of a group. Too easy to overheat,
> encounter a drunk, or a misbehaving child. If you're outside a facility,
> it's too easy to trip, and the places to take a headless break may not be
> apparant.
> As to the performance, great question! With that wonderful suit, I'm sure
> everyone will go 'AWWWWW!' whatever you do.
>
>
> mx5madness at aol.com
> Find me at about.me/scottchamberlainlaw.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scapegoat <scape at scape-thegoat.com>
> To: fursuit-list <fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org>
> Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:34 am
> Subject: Re: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality
>
>
> I would never go anywhere without a handler.
> Scape
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:10 AM, "Tycho Brahe" <tycho at ws6transam.org> wrote:
> As a brand-new fursuiter, I would like to learn how to create the most
> harming character I can out of this fine creation. I originally planned
> n creating a 90-second martial arts demo for in-costume performance, so
> y character will probably employ some elements of martial arts. However
> he focus has changed over the past couple years, and furry cons are no
> onger a possibility. I'll probably get the chance to interact with the
> ublic here in the Lansing, MI area but it'll have to be without a
> andler. Events like pet store appearances, parades, kid-friendly local
> estivals, etc.
> Thus, I need to figure out some of the movements & motions that make a
> haracter come to life in the friendliest, most endearing way possible.
> tuff that makes a child want to laugh & play, and a regular parent go
> Awww, that is a cool costume!", and makes an event organizer want to ask
> e to return for the next event.
> Marcwolf, I know you've done this stuff before. Have you figured out what
> orks and probably more importantly, what doesn't work?
> Tenatively I have three events lined up for this summer & fall - One's a
> or sure: A two hour morning session, assisting a clown at a local event
> n late July.
> http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office_resize.jpg
> ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office4.jpg
> ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office3.jpg
> ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office5.jpg
> -
> nquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by
> ecessity.
> _______________________________________________
> ______________________________________________
> ursuit Mail list.
> o edit your subscription, visit:
> http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register
> _______________________________________________
> ______________________________________________
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From zachalejandro at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 11:36:08 2012
From: zachalejandro at gmail.com (Zachary Alejandro)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 10:36:08 -0500
Subject: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality
In-Reply-To: <CAJO-A1MAR3t7GNF6ipT-Sk5F2Kney+9-KnaMz_USm3+x4n=-LQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d0ca47f875a83db826667c359ded2ac.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com>
	<D65032B5-C3E4-4448-A1A2-21ACB51C4DD8@scape-thegoat.com>
	<8CEDEF08097EE17-15E4-10485@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com>
	<CAJO-A1MAR3t7GNF6ipT-Sk5F2Kney+9-KnaMz_USm3+x4n=-LQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Y'know, I've been on youtube during the weekend and I went on and
watched fursuit bowling and as i watched some fursuiters go on and
bowl. Man, I still wish I had a fursuit.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Christopher Halyday
<espilonarge at gmail.com> wrote:
> As a personal suggestion, I would look on YouTube and study what other
> fursuiters do, especially with encounters of the "small" kind (aka
> children and possibly pets) and what I should do when approached by
> these kinds of situations. Although they may have a handler with them
> in a number of videos, the majority of them act on their own accord
> and in some cases a handler won't always be quick to react to a
> situation when it arises (has happened a couple of times to me).
>
> While I'm still personally learning how to fursuit myself (only been
> suiting for a couple of years now), there's still ways I'm learning to
> improve on what I can do and visual aids from studying other
> fursuiters through videos should surfice. :)
>
> On 4/3/12, mx5madness at aol.com <mx5madness at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> 'Never' is kinda broad.........
>> I'm a new suiter, too. Last year was my first year in costume; did three
>> cons- FAU4, Anthrocon, and FurFright. Had a handler at all but Anthrocon.
>> Going without a handler was a bit of a challenge, but I survived, and had a
>> great time. Of course, Anthrocon is as fursuit friendly as a place can be.
>> Broad hallways, good lighting, cool temperatures. I'm not sure I'd go out in
>> public, at least not without the support of a group. Too easy to overheat,
>> encounter a drunk, or a misbehaving child. If you're outside a facility,
>> it's too easy to trip, and the places to take a headless break may not be
>> apparant.
>> As to the performance, great question! With that wonderful suit, I'm sure
>> everyone will go 'AWWWWW!' whatever you do.
>>
>>
>> mx5madness at aol.com
>> Find me at about.me/scottchamberlainlaw.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scapegoat <scape at scape-thegoat.com>
>> To: fursuit-list <fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org>
>> Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:34 am
>> Subject: Re: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality
>>
>>
>> I would never go anywhere without a handler.
>> Scape
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:10 AM, "Tycho Brahe" <tycho at ws6transam.org> wrote:
>> As a brand-new fursuiter, I would like to learn how to create the most
>> harming character I can out of this fine creation. I originally planned
>> n creating a 90-second martial arts demo for in-costume performance, so
>> y character will probably employ some elements of martial arts. However
>> he focus has changed over the past couple years, and furry cons are no
>> onger a possibility. I'll probably get the chance to interact with the
>> ublic here in the Lansing, MI area but it'll have to be without a
>> andler. Events like pet store appearances, parades, kid-friendly local
>> estivals, etc.
>> Thus, I need to figure out some of the movements & motions that make a
>> haracter come to life in the friendliest, most endearing way possible.
>> tuff that makes a child want to laugh & play, and a regular parent go
>> Awww, that is a cool costume!", and makes an event organizer want to ask
>> e to return for the next event.
>> Marcwolf, I know you've done this stuff before. Have you figured out what
>> orks and probably more importantly, what doesn't work?
>> Tenatively I have three events lined up for this summer & fall - One's a
>> or sure: A two hour morning session, assisting a clown at a local event
>> n late July.
>> http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office_resize.jpg
>> ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office4.jpg
>> ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office3.jpg
>> ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office5.jpg
>> -
>> nquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by
>> ecessity.
>> _______________________________________________
>> ______________________________________________
>> ursuit Mail list.
>> o edit your subscription, visit:
>> http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register
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From scape at scape-thegoat.com  Mon Apr  2 11:47:48 2012
From: scape at scape-thegoat.com (Scapegoat)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:47:48 -0400
Subject: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality
In-Reply-To: <8CEDEF08097EE17-15E4-10485@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com>
References: <3d0ca47f875a83db826667c359ded2ac.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com>
	<D65032B5-C3E4-4448-A1A2-21ACB51C4DD8@scape-thegoat.com>
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lol By "never" I don't means cons ;) Conventions are usually like a safe haven to me where I feel I can relax and walk around or be a gooberhead and everything is alright. Out in the real world though is a different story. Just too many things that could potentially go 'wrong' at any moment -too many variables and unknowns. If I can't get a spotter or handler to go with me somewhere, then I just won't bother.
~Scape

On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:03 AM, mx5madness at aol.com wrote:

'Never' is kinda broad.........
I'm a new suiter, too. Last year was my first year in costume; did three cons- FAU4, Anthrocon, and FurFright. Had a handler at all but Anthrocon. Going without a handler was a bit of a challenge, but I survived, and had a great time. Of course, Anthrocon is as fursuit friendly as a place can be. Broad hallways, good lighting, cool temperatures. I'm not sure I'd go out in public, at least not without the support of a group. Too easy to overheat, encounter a drunk, or a misbehaving child. If you're outside a facility, it's too easy to trip, and the places to take a headless break may not be apparant.
As to the performance, great question! With that wonderful suit, I'm sure everyone will go 'AWWWWW!' whatever you do.

mx5madness at aol.com
Find me at about.me/scottchamberlainlaw.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Scapegoat <scape at scape-thegoat.com>
To: fursuit-list <fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org>
Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:34 am
Subject: Re: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality

I would never go anywhere without a handler.
~Scape

On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:10 AM, "Tycho Brahe" <tycho at ws6transam.org> wrote:

As a brand-new fursuiter, I would like to learn how to create the most
charming character I can out of this fine creation. I originally planned
on creating a 90-second martial arts demo for in-costume performance, so
my character will probably employ some elements of martial arts. However
the focus has changed over the past couple years, and furry cons are no
longer a possibility. I'll probably get the chance to interact with the
public here in the Lansing, MI area but it'll have to be without a
handler. Events like pet store appearances, parades, kid-friendly local
festivals, etc.

Thus, I need to figure out some of the movements & motions that make a
character come to life in the friendliest, most endearing way possible.
Stuff that makes a child want to laugh & play, and a regular parent go
"Awww, that is a cool costume!", and makes an event organizer want to ask
me to return for the next event.

Marcwolf, I know you've done this stuff before. Have you figured out what
works and probably more importantly, what doesn't work?

Tenatively I have three events lined up for this summer & fall - One's a
for sure: A two hour morning session, assisting a clown at a local event
in late July.

http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office_resize.jpg
http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office4.jpg
http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office3.jpg
http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office5.jpg
-- 
Inquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by
necessity.

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From mx5madness at aol.com  Mon Apr  2 11:57:49 2012
From: mx5madness at aol.com (mx5madness at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:57:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality
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There are a couple good 'learn to fursuit' videos on YouTube. For starters, you need to learn the 'fursuit walk'


mx5madness at aol.com
Find me at about.me/scottchamberlainlaw.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Halyday <espilonarge at gmail.com>
To: fursuit-list <fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org>
Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:12 am
Subject: Re: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality


As a personal suggestion, I would look on YouTube and study what other
ursuiters do, especially with encounters of the "small" kind (aka
hildren and possibly pets) and what I should do when approached by
hese kinds of situations. Although they may have a handler with them
n a number of videos, the majority of them act on their own accord
nd in some cases a handler won't always be quick to react to a
ituation when it arises (has happened a couple of times to me).
While I'm still personally learning how to fursuit myself (only been
uiting for a couple of years now), there's still ways I'm learning to
mprove on what I can do and visual aids from studying other
ursuiters through videos should surfice. :)
On 4/3/12, mx5madness at aol.com <mx5madness at aol.com> wrote:

 'Never' is kinda broad.........
 I'm a new suiter, too. Last year was my first year in costume; did three
 cons- FAU4, Anthrocon, and FurFright. Had a handler at all but Anthrocon.
 Going without a handler was a bit of a challenge, but I survived, and had a
 great time. Of course, Anthrocon is as fursuit friendly as a place can be.
 Broad hallways, good lighting, cool temperatures. I'm not sure I'd go out in
 public, at least not without the support of a group. Too easy to overheat,
 encounter a drunk, or a misbehaving child. If you're outside a facility,
 it's too easy to trip, and the places to take a headless break may not be
 apparant.
 As to the performance, great question! With that wonderful suit, I'm sure
 everyone will go 'AWWWWW!' whatever you do.


 mx5madness at aol.com
 Find me at about.me/scottchamberlainlaw.com



 -----Original Message-----
 From: Scapegoat <scape at scape-thegoat.com>
 To: fursuit-list <fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org>
 Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:34 am
 Subject: Re: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality


 I would never go anywhere without a handler.
 Scape
 On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:10 AM, "Tycho Brahe" <tycho at ws6transam.org> wrote:
 As a brand-new fursuiter, I would like to learn how to create the most
 harming character I can out of this fine creation. I originally planned
 n creating a 90-second martial arts demo for in-costume performance, so
 y character will probably employ some elements of martial arts. However
 he focus has changed over the past couple years, and furry cons are no
 onger a possibility. I'll probably get the chance to interact with the
 ublic here in the Lansing, MI area but it'll have to be without a
 andler. Events like pet store appearances, parades, kid-friendly local
 estivals, etc.
 Thus, I need to figure out some of the movements & motions that make a
 haracter come to life in the friendliest, most endearing way possible.
 tuff that makes a child want to laugh & play, and a regular parent go
 Awww, that is a cool costume!", and makes an event organizer want to ask
 e to return for the next event.
 Marcwolf, I know you've done this stuff before. Have you figured out what
 orks and probably more importantly, what doesn't work?
 Tenatively I have three events lined up for this summer & fall - One's a
 or sure: A two hour morning session, assisting a clown at a local event
 n late July.
 http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office_resize.jpg
 ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office4.jpg
 ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office3.jpg
 ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office5.jpg
 -
 nquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by
 ecessity.
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From mx5madness at aol.com  Mon Apr  2 12:00:34 2012
From: mx5madness at aol.com (mx5madness at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:00:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality
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References: <3d0ca47f875a83db826667c359ded2ac.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com><D65032B5-C3E4-4448-A1A2-21ACB51C4DD8@scape-thegoat.com><8CEDEF08097EE17-15E4-10485@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com>
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In RL, there are no security forces on every corner, waiting to haul miscreants away......


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-----Original Message-----
From: Scapegoat <scape at scape-thegoat.com>
To: fursuit-list <fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org>
Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:55 am
Subject: Re: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality


lol By "never" I don't means cons ;) Conventions are usually like a safe haven to me where I feel I can relax and walk around or be a gooberhead and everything is alright. Out in the real world though is a different story. Just too many things that could potentially go 'wrong' at any moment -too many variables and unknowns. If I can't get a spotter or handler to go with me somewhere, then I just won't bother.
~Scape

On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:03 AM, mx5madness at aol.com wrote:




'Never' is kinda broad.........
I'm a new suiter, too. Last year was my first year in costume; did three cons- FAU4, Anthrocon, and FurFright. Had a handler at all but Anthrocon. Going without a handler was a bit of a challenge, but I survived, and had a great time. Of course, Anthrocon is as fursuit friendly as a place can be. Broad hallways, good lighting, cool temperatures. I'm not sure I'd go out in public, at least not without the support of a group. Too easy to overheat, encounter a drunk, or a misbehaving child. If you're outside a facility, it's too easy to trip, and the places to take a headless break may not be apparant.
As to the performance, great question! With that wonderful suit, I'm sure everyone will go 'AWWWWW!' whatever you do.


mx5madness at aol.com
Find me at about.me/scottchamberlainlaw.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Scapegoat <scape at scape-thegoat.com>
To: fursuit-list <fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org>
Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:34 am
Subject: Re: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality


I would never go anywhere without a handler.
Scape
On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:10 AM, "Tycho Brahe" <tycho at ws6transam.org> wrote:
As a brand-new fursuiter, I would like to learn how to create the most
harming character I can out of this fine creation. I originally planned
n creating a 90-second martial arts demo for in-costume performance, so
y character will probably employ some elements of martial arts. However
he focus has changed over the past couple years, and furry cons are no
onger a possibility. I'll probably get the chance to interact with the
ublic here in the Lansing, MI area but it'll have to be without a
andler. Events like pet store appearances, parades, kid-friendly local
estivals, etc.
Thus, I need to figure out some of the movements & motions that make a
haracter come to life in the friendliest, most endearing way possible.
tuff that makes a child want to laugh & play, and a regular parent go
Awww, that is a cool costume!", and makes an event organizer want to ask
e to return for the next event.
Marcwolf, I know you've done this stuff before. Have you figured out what
orks and probably more importantly, what doesn't work?
Tenatively I have three events lined up for this summer & fall - One's a
or sure: A two hour morning session, assisting a clown at a local event
n late July.
http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office_resize.jpg
ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office4.jpg
ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office3.jpg
ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office5.jpg
- 
nquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by
ecessity.
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From dlely at juno.com  Thu Apr  5 04:32:14 2012
From: dlely at juno.com (David L. Ely)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 01:32:14 -0700
Subject: FL: Fursuiting Event: Pasadena Doo Dah Parade
Message-ID: <20120405.013229.1667.338437@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com>

Dear Doo Dah Parade Admirers, Lovers, and Participants:
 
In a little over three weeks it'll be time for the 35th Occasional
Pasadena Doo Dah Parade in Southern California!  This year it's on
Saturday the 28th of April and you're all invited to watch, help, or if
you have a fursuit, participate with us in East Pasadena!  Now in it's
third year on the new spring date, new meeting location, and new route in
East Pasadena.  Why they changed the date (for the third time) and
location I'll never know, but here's yer chance for some local fursuiting
fun that began with Thaddeus Fox and Rapid T. Rabbit way back in 1990
(yes, that's 22 years)!
 
Here's how to join in on the fun:
1) simply e-mail me (NOT this list) at dlely at juno.com telling me you'll
be there.  I will reply with confirmation giving you more details.
2) Check out the Parade's official web site at
http://www.pasadenadoodahparade.info/ for further information, maps,
news, and highlights from previous year's parades.
3) Then on Saturday the 28th of April: meet all of us furry participants
no later than 10:00 AM on shady Nina Street between North Altadena Drive
and North Vinedo Street just north of East Colorado Boulevard.
4) Pay your $10.00 per person entry fee to me who will then turn over the
total to the parade organizers (The Light Bringer Project - a nonprofit
arts organization - http://www.lightbringerproject.com).
5) Wait around and have some fun . . . then jump in the parade around
11:00 AM and have more fun being crazy, out of control, silly, wacky, and
zany to thousands of crazy, out of control, silly, wacky and zany
spectators lining both sides of East Colorado Boulevard in the 2500-2600
blocks!

But wait there's more!  After the parade everyfur usually regroups for a
chow-down at a popular Pasadena watering hole!

If you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me.  Hope to see you all
there!

David L. Ely - AKA: Scruff E. Coyote - dlely at juno.com
"Happiness is not something ready made.  It comes from your own actions."
- Dalai Lama

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From greenreaper at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 10 02:10:56 2012
From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (Laurence Parry)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:10:56 -0500
Subject: FL: Want to see your suit in a museum?
Message-ID: <BLU151-ds16BB1BA8772A5BD03F0DB8A5340@phx.gbl>

A posting on behalf of Fred Patten <fredpatten at earthlink.net">
( http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fred_Patten ), cross-posted to fursuitlounge

---

I know from discussions with the librarians at the University of California 
at Riverside Library that they would love to get some donations of fursuits 
for the Library's Eaton Collection of Science Fiction & Fantasy. ( 
http://eaton.ucr.edu/ )

The Eaton Collection has one of the largest archives in the world of 
materials relating to the history of Furry fandom ( 
http://eaton.ucr.edu/othercollection.html ), but it does not have any 
fursuits.

---

There's been some talk of the disposal of old fursuits on the fursuit 
LiveJournal ( http://fursuit.livejournal.com/4840115.html ), but I think 
this is better than most of the ideas floated - anyone interested in 
donating to a good cause? (I'm sure they'd take just a head if you only have 
that.)

-- 
Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://flayrah.com
"Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?" 


From donkeyears at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 06:44:22 2012
From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 05:44:22 -0500
Subject: FL: Want to see your suit in a museum?
In-Reply-To: <BLU151-ds16BB1BA8772A5BD03F0DB8A5340@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU151-ds16BB1BA8772A5BD03F0DB8A5340@phx.gbl>
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Would it really be put out for display where people can see it or just
put in some storage bin and forgotten?

Most of the stuff the museums get are filed away in some storage room
and forgotten. Every so often you hear a news story about some object
that is in a museums collection that no one remembered that it was
there. Just a few weeks ago there was a news report about some black
lady that was a great artist that was born a slave that her art work
was just rediscovered in some museums storage area somewhere.

The problem with a fursuit being stored away for decades it would
disintegrate because foam just does not hold up in the long term.

Sorry to be raining on your parade but I just don't see that a museum
would find enough general public interest in furry to be having a
fursuit out for public display.

There is something that somefur could do. Create an on line furry
museum showing the history of the furry fandom. Maybe someone has some
old photos from the first years of the fandom so furs can see how the
fandom has evolved though the decades. Maybe this could become a
regular presentation at a furry convention.

His Most Royal Highass, Donkey

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:10 AM, Laurence Parry <greenreaper at hotmail.com> wrote:
> A posting on behalf of Fred Patten <fredpatten at earthlink.net">
> ( http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fred_Patten ), cross-posted to fursuitlounge
>
> ---
>
> I know from discussions with the librarians at the University of California
> at Riverside Library that they would love to get some donations of fursuits
> for the Library's Eaton Collection of Science Fiction & Fantasy. (
> http://eaton.ucr.edu/ )
>
> The Eaton Collection has one of the largest archives in the world of
> materials relating to the history of Furry fandom (
> http://eaton.ucr.edu/othercollection.html ), but it does not have any
> fursuits.
>
> ---
>
> There's been some talk of the disposal of old fursuits on the fursuit
> LiveJournal ( http://fursuit.livejournal.com/4840115.html ), but I think
> this is better than most of the ideas floated - anyone interested in
> donating to a good cause? (I'm sure they'd take just a head if you only have
> that.)
>
> --
> Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
> http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://flayrah.com
> "Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?"
> _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> Fursuit Mail list.
> To edit your subscription, visit:
> http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register

From skippy at sk1p.com  Tue Apr 10 10:22:02 2012
From: skippy at sk1p.com (Zack F)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:22:02 -0400
Subject: FL: Want to see your suit in a museum?
In-Reply-To: <CAAqaxXh1y=cYBCO9kWj98PKAiBkp2JawCK8Uknx=PrGpi_rmCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU151-ds16BB1BA8772A5BD03F0DB8A5340@phx.gbl>
	<CAAqaxXh1y=cYBCO9kWj98PKAiBkp2JawCK8Uknx=PrGpi_rmCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F84420A.4000803@sk1p.com>

FWIW I bet Fred Patten's collection at UoC (the place we're talking 
about) would be a good start for an eventual online museum. According to 
his article on Wikifur he was visiting the library on a regular basis to 
organize the collection of works he donated, but this apparently was 
years ago and I don't know if it's organized or what.

But, if it's catalogued and documented, that is probably a good place to 
start for a researcher to put together an interesting online archive of 
fandom history. You just need somebody proactive enough to do something 
with it.

--skippyfox



On 4/10/2012 6:44 AM, Donkey wrote:
> Would it really be put out for display where people can see it or just
> put in some storage bin and forgotten?
>
> Most of the stuff the museums get are filed away in some storage room
> and forgotten. Every so often you hear a news story about some object
> that is in a museums collection that no one remembered that it was
> there. Just a few weeks ago there was a news report about some black
> lady that was a great artist that was born a slave that her art work
> was just rediscovered in some museums storage area somewhere.
>
> The problem with a fursuit being stored away for decades it would
> disintegrate because foam just does not hold up in the long term.
>
> Sorry to be raining on your parade but I just don't see that a museum
> would find enough general public interest in furry to be having a
> fursuit out for public display.
>
> There is something that somefur could do. Create an on line furry
> museum showing the history of the furry fandom. Maybe someone has some
> old photos from the first years of the fandom so furs can see how the
> fandom has evolved though the decades. Maybe this could become a
> regular presentation at a furry convention.
>
> His Most Royal Highass, Donkey
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:10 AM, Laurence Parry<greenreaper at hotmail.com>  wrote:
>> A posting on behalf of Fred Patten<fredpatten at earthlink.net">
>> ( http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fred_Patten ), cross-posted to fursuitlounge
>>
>> ---
>>
>> I know from discussions with the librarians at the University of California
>> at Riverside Library that they would love to get some donations of fursuits
>> for the Library's Eaton Collection of Science Fiction&  Fantasy. (
>> http://eaton.ucr.edu/ )
>>
>> The Eaton Collection has one of the largest archives in the world of
>> materials relating to the history of Furry fandom (
>> http://eaton.ucr.edu/othercollection.html ), but it does not have any
>> fursuits.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> There's been some talk of the disposal of old fursuits on the fursuit
>> LiveJournal ( http://fursuit.livejournal.com/4840115.html ), but I think
>> this is better than most of the ideas floated - anyone interested in
>> donating to a good cause? (I'm sure they'd take just a head if you only have
>> that.)
>>
>> --
>> Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
>> http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://flayrah.com
>> "Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?"
>> _______________________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> Fursuit Mail list.
>> To edit your subscription, visit:
>> http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register
> _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
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>


From greenreaper at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 10 11:57:53 2012
From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (Laurence Parry)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:57:53 -0500
Subject: FL: Want to see your suit in a museum?
In-Reply-To: <4F84420A.4000803@sk1p.com>
References: <BLU151-ds16BB1BA8772A5BD03F0DB8A5340@phx.gbl>,
	<CAAqaxXh1y=cYBCO9kWj98PKAiBkp2JawCK8Uknx=PrGpi_rmCQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4F84420A.4000803@sk1p.com>
Message-ID: <BLU151-W55FEEFBEB52FD0825E3EA1A5340@phx.gbl>


 > he was visiting the library on a regular basis to 
> organize the collection of works he donated, but this apparently was 
> years ago and I don't know if it's organized or what.

As I understand it, Fred visits on a monthly basis when he can (he's reliant on others for transportation). It's a big project! But they have already put up

> Would it really be put out for display where people can see it or just
> put in some storage bin and forgotten?

I can't say. I know they did have a recent two-year exhibition of some of Fred's collection, and they have specifically asked for them, so I imagine they are interested in putting one on show, at least for a time.

Bear in mind that we're not talking about a general-purpose museum; it's a collection of science fiction and fantasy material, including ephemera such as costumes.

> The problem with a fursuit being stored away for decades it would
> disintegrate because foam just does not hold up in the long term.

Don't see how that'd be much better than having it rot away in a closet somewhere. :-)

I don't know if there's any way to preserve the materials in a fursuit, but I imagine they'd have the appropriate resources to find out.

> There is something that somefur could do. Create an on line furry
> museum showing the history of the furry fandom. Maybe someone has some
> old photos from the first years of the fandom so furs can see how the
> fandom has evolved though the decades. Maybe this could become a
> regular presentation at a furry convention.

Chairo and others at FC/AAE have apparently been working on some aspects of that with the AFR:
http://www.flayrah.com/3967#comment-48765
It appears to be FC-specific - mostly because that's what they have to hand. It might be a start, though. 

Long-term, that's something I could imagine being involved in (though I can't provide much in the way of material), but should set up that 501(c)(3) furry foundation to run it first . . .

--
Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
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From chairoraccoon at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 14:37:44 2012
From: chairoraccoon at gmail.com (Chairoraccoon)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:37:44 -0700
Subject: FL: Want to see your suit in a museum?
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Yes, FC has the AFR, Anthro Fandom Repository. 

Most of the materials are flat file media. Zines, Books, Art, Etc.  Fred Patten has even donated to it in the past and I am sure will continue to be a great reaource for us and the fandom. Our goal as FC is to collect, archive, and share the Furry end of history. Not Just FC's.

We have had this archive for a good while and have recently restaffed much of our board and board staff including AFR librarians.

We hope to have something online soon. But it will take a while to scan and index everything.

It's all held in a safe climate controlled off site storage for now. We will be looking for new materials to add. Fursuits have not been discussed yet. We have videos from as far back as CF 4. And stills from a smattering of conventions and other events.

FC will most defiately have a display of their history at a future FurCon which may include some retro costumes and AFR items. My oldest fursuit so far is from 1997. Tho I know of several suits who have gone back even further. An item to consider for sure.

We will keep everyone posted and accept donations of all types of fandom related material in the mean time.

Cheers and Chirrs!

Chairo



On Apr 10, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Laurence Parry <greenreaper at hotmail.com> wrote:

> > he was visiting the library on a regular basis to 
> > organize the collection of works he donated, but this apparently was 
> > years ago and I don't know if it's organized or what.
> 
> As I understand it, Fred visits on a monthly basis when he can (he's reliant on others for transportation). It's a big project! But they have already put up
> 
> > Would it really be put out for display where people can see it or just
> > put in some storage bin and forgotten?
> 
> I can't say. I know they did have a recent two-year exhibition of some of Fred's collection, and they have specifically asked for them, so I imagine they are interested in putting one on show, at least for a time.
> 
> Bear in mind that we're not talking about a general-purpose museum; it's a collection of science fiction and fantasy material, including ephemera such as costumes.
> 
> > The problem with a fursuit being stored away for decades it would
> > disintegrate because foam just does not hold up in the long term.
> 
> Don't see how that'd be much better than having it rot away in a closet somewhere. :-)
> 
> I don't know if there's any way to preserve the materials in a fursuit, but I imagine they'd have the appropriate resources to find out.
> 
> > There is something that somefur could do. Create an on line furry
> > museum showing the history of the furry fandom. Maybe someone has some
> > old photos from the first years of the fandom so furs can see how the
> > fandom has evolved though the decades. Maybe this could become a
> > regular presentation at a furry convention.
> 
> Chairo and others at FC/AAE have apparently been working on some aspects of that with the AFR:
> http://www.flayrah.com/3967#comment-48765
> It appears to be FC-specific - mostly because that's what they have to hand. It might be a start, though. 
> 
> Long-term, that's something I could imagine being involved in (though I can't provide much in the way of material), but should set up that 501(c)(3) furry foundation to run it first . . .
> 
> --
> Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
> http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://flayrah.com
> "Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?"
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From wonder_moose_blue at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 10 14:59:19 2012
From: wonder_moose_blue at yahoo.com (Mark Sinicki)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:59:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: FL: Want to see your suit in a museum?
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I know a certain coyote who just retired his fursuit last year--but don't cry--he's still in the game. This would be a good place for it to go so others may appreciate it.
?
RT Coyote
 

________________________________
 From: Laurence Parry <greenreaper at hotmail.com>
To: fursuit-list at fursuit.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:10 AM
Subject: FL: Want to see your suit in a museum?
  
A posting on behalf of Fred Patten <fredpatten at earthlink.net">
( http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fred_Patten ), cross-posted to fursuitlounge

---

I know from discussions with the librarians at the University of California at Riverside Library that they would love to get some donations of fursuits for the Library's Eaton Collection of Science Fiction & Fantasy. ( http://eaton.ucr.edu/ )

The Eaton Collection has one of the largest archives in the world of materials relating to the history of Furry fandom ( http://eaton.ucr.edu/othercollection.html ), but it does not have any fursuits.

---

There's been some talk of the disposal of old fursuits on the fursuit LiveJournal ( http://fursuit.livejournal.com/4840115.html ), but I think this is better than most of the ideas floated - anyone interested in donating to a good cause? (I'm sure they'd take just a head if you only have that.)

-- Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://flayrah.com
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From stego at cpl.net  Sun May  6 15:49:45 2012
From: stego at cpl.net (Stego S. Aurus)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 12:49:45 -0700
Subject: FL: Non-aerosol Alternative to Wal-Bac/End-Bac
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Hey there (whoevers left!)

   A Good friend of mine who has been filled in on Fursuiting (and the 
need for us to be able to clean in the suits between wears) found an 
interesting Non-Aerosol product which might help us out:

Designed for Incontinence, the product is called "Ca-Rezz", a No Rinse 
Wash, which "is Intended for Frequent Daily Use" and can be sprayed 
directly onto Skin, Pads, Linen, and Clothing."

   http://www.amazon.com/FNC-Medical-Ca-Rezz%C2%AE-Wash-Spray/dp/B001MUAB56

Has anyone else tried using this? I sure am going to give it a try!

-Stego


From recherei at yahoo.com  Mon May  7 01:04:47 2012
From: recherei at yahoo.com (Recherei)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 22:04:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: FL: Non-aerosol Alternative to Wal-Bac/End-Bac
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Sounds like the perfect product for fanboys too.


________________________________
 From: Stego S. Aurus <stego at cpl.net>
To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:49 PM
Subject: FL: Non-aerosol Alternative to Wal-Bac/End-Bac
 
Hey there (whoevers left!)

? A Good friend of mine who has been filled in on Fursuiting (and the need for us to be able to clean in the suits between wears) found an interesting Non-Aerosol product which might help us out:

Designed for Incontinence, the product is called "Ca-Rezz", a No Rinse Wash, which "is Intended for Frequent Daily Use" and can be sprayed directly onto Skin, Pads, Linen, and Clothing."

? http://www.amazon.com/FNC-Medical-Ca-Rezz%C2%AE-Wash-Spray/dp/B001MUAB56

Has anyone else tried using this? I sure am going to give it a try!

-Stego

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From m.kalkbrenner at maskottchen-germany.de  Mon May  7 02:34:42 2012
From: m.kalkbrenner at maskottchen-germany.de (Markus Kalkbrenner - Maskottchen Germany)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 08:34:42 +0200
Subject: FL: Finaly done - MLP Pony Costumes G4 Boomerang Bugger and Crokny
	G3 Pony
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Hi Folks

After developing my digital costume construction i would like present the first
costume of this row.

Costume been modelled and done via CAD - Head Vacuum Thermoformed total weight
450Gr. with headgear.
100% Own design special made for Australia visit.

First appearance FurDu 2012 Surfers Paradise Furry Convention - Boomerang Bugger
is the Name.


http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911762/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911787/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911728/

And Crokny G3 Based Crocodile / Pony mix.

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911676/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911666/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911664/


Costume Design is now available for production.
All I need is a Picture of a pony creator and a Tapedummy.

Prices start from 1600 Euro for a Earth pony

Regards

Atalon the Deer








From jonathan.oppeel at telenet.be  Mon May  7 11:12:05 2012
From: jonathan.oppeel at telenet.be (jonathan.oppeel at telenet.be)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 17:12:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: FL: Finaly done - MLP Pony Costumes G4 Boomerang Bugger and
	Crokny	G3 Pony
In-Reply-To: <899238327.20120507083442@maskottchen-germany.de>
Message-ID: <6aa864de-1bfc-44fa-b8c8-f6c995ba0706@chioma.telenet-ops.be>

do you do payment plans ?

----- Oorspronkelijk e-mail -----
Van: "Markus Kalkbrenner - Maskottchen Germany" <m.kalkbrenner at maskottchen-germany.de>
Aan: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org
Verzonden: Maandag 7 mei 2012 08:34:42
Onderwerp: FL: Finaly done - MLP Pony Costumes G4 Boomerang Bugger and Crokny	G3 Pony

Hi Folks

After developing my digital costume construction i would like present the first
costume of this row.

Costume been modelled and done via CAD - Head Vacuum Thermoformed total weight
450Gr. with headgear.
100% Own design special made for Australia visit.

First appearance FurDu 2012 Surfers Paradise Furry Convention - Boomerang Bugger
is the Name.


http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911762/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911787/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911728/

And Crokny G3 Based Crocodile / Pony mix.

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911676/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911666/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911664/


Costume Design is now available for production.
All I need is a Picture of a pony creator and a Tapedummy.

Prices start from 1600 Euro for a Earth pony

Regards

Atalon the Deer







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From foxwolfac at gmail.com  Mon May  7 11:37:59 2012
From: foxwolfac at gmail.com (Foxwolf 9-Tails)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:37:59 -0400
Subject: FL: Non-aerosol Alternative to Wal-Bac/End-Bac
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HAH, oh so true. >.< Too true almost. :-P

-Siekhal

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Recherei <recherei at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sounds like the perfect product for fanboys too.
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Stego S. Aurus <stego at cpl.net>
> *To:* fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:49 PM
> *Subject:* FL: Non-aerosol Alternative to Wal-Bac/End-Bac
>
> Hey there (whoevers left!)
>
>   A Good friend of mine who has been filled in on Fursuiting (and the need
> for us to be able to clean in the suits between wears) found an interesting
> Non-Aerosol product which might help us out:
>
> Designed for Incontinence, the product is called "Ca-Rezz", a No Rinse
> Wash, which "is Intended for Frequent Daily Use" and can be sprayed
> directly onto Skin, Pads, Linen, and Clothing."
>
>   http://www.amazon.com/FNC-Medical-Ca-Rezz%C2%AE-Wash-Spray/dp/B001MUAB56
>
> Has anyone else tried using this? I sure am going to give it a try!
>
> -Stego
>
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From donkeyears at gmail.com  Mon May  7 12:04:39 2012
From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:04:39 -0500
Subject: FL: Finaly done - MLP Pony Costumes G4 Boomerang Bugger and
 Crokny G3 Pony
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On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Markus Kalkbrenner - Maskottchen
Germany <m.kalkbrenner at maskottchen-germany.de> wrote:

> Prices start from 1600 Euro for a Earth pony
>
> Regards
>
> Atalon the Deer

That is a little on the higher side but not unreasonable. I hope you luck